recommend me some pedals

RAGER · July 29, 2011, 12:09:20 PM

If you want to sound Like Pete, you need a Hiwatt CP103 turned up all the way. Nice and simple.

Baltar · July 29, 2011, 12:23:19 PM

Pete used these too.

http://wattson-fx.com/products.html

grimniggzy · July 29, 2011, 12:50:49 PM

I think if I ever make the journey back into fuzz territory I'll be looking at one of these 2 here...

Quote from: Baltar on July 29, 2011, 11:17:56 AM
Black Cat Superfuzzes-makes a dual fuzz and OD in one pedal
http://www.blackcatpedals.com/

Quote from: Baltar on July 29, 2011, 12:23:19 PM
Pete used these too.

http://wattson-fx.com/products.html

grimniggzy · July 29, 2011, 01:28:01 PM

after reading a few things I think I'll end up going the wattson route

SpaceTrucker · July 29, 2011, 01:53:23 PM

Pete Townsend used a hiwatt cranked with a superfuzz infront for more omph.

johnny problem · July 29, 2011, 02:41:20 PM

Analog Alien makes the Fuzzbubble 45. It's basically a 2 in 1 fuzz with a Pete and Jimi side. I would also suggest you look into Analog Man's stuff. Particularly the Sunface NKT275, Astro tone and Peppermint. These will all melt faces.

black_out · July 29, 2011, 04:35:12 PM

Quote from: johnny problem on July 29, 2011, 02:41:20 PM
Analog Alien makes the Fuzzbubble 45. It's basically a 2 in 1 fuzz with a Pete and Jimi side. I would also suggest you look into Analog Man's stuff. Particularly the Sunface NKT275, Astro tone and Peppermint. These will all melt faces.

I bought an Astro Tone and sold that fucker pronto. Didn't like it AT ALL.

strangelight · July 29, 2011, 04:36:56 PM

cool, thanks people.

Quote from: RAGER on July 29, 2011, 12:09:20 PM
If you want to sound Like Pete, you need a Hiwatt CP103 turned up all the way. Nice and simple.

i can't afford a new amp.

i'm not actually looking to sound just like him, either. if i was, i'd trade my shit in and buy a whole new set-up.

strangelight · July 29, 2011, 05:04:14 PM

oh man, the pharaoh by black arts tone works gave me a lady boner.

jibberish · July 29, 2011, 05:32:14 PM

there are a bazillion youtubes on pedal demos. awesome info source. you get half an idea of the piece of equipment.

check out fu manchu. like evil eye..but really the whole album of action is go and ahhhh the one with the drag race about to happen...anyway..they use a slew of diferent fuzzes, and creepy fingers brad is fu manchu brad...so he may be a help if you like those wonderful fu fuzzy sounds.

and as mentioned. if you like someones sound, track down the gear..someone knows or roadied that tour heh..

Lumpy · July 29, 2011, 07:05:01 PM

Quote from: strangelight on July 29, 2011, 05:04:14 PM
oh man, the pharaoh by black arts tone works gave me a lady boner.

Seems very nice. Tweakable. All the different settings she went through seemed workable. She needs a tuner though.

strangelight · July 29, 2011, 08:38:51 PM

haters gonna hate.

the DAM meathead sounds pretty awesome, too. goddammit.

i'm thinking of an MXR 10 band eq, an octave pedal (probably a boss oc-2 'cause they're pretty cheap on the interwebs), and some kinda fuzzy overdrivey fuzz thing.

Baltar · July 29, 2011, 10:49:49 PM

I forgot about Creepy Fingers. Keeley. Radial if you wanna buy Canadian. They're out in BC.
Stomp Under Foot. Throbak.

Lumpy · July 30, 2011, 12:02:04 AM

The Meathead sounds best when it's turned way up (around 3 o'clock*). I couldn't find any clips on Youtube where they had it up past noon (I didn't look at every clip though). Also, lots of fuzz/distortion sounds cool at bedroom volume, but sound like sloppy poop when you get real loud (IMO). The Meathead doesn't sound like anything special at low volumes, but sounds better and better the louder you go. Also, it (the pedal itself) is loud as fuck (lots of gain) so turning the dial up even more is probably counter-intuitive. So I figure there are people with Meatheads who don't even realize what all that pedal can do, if they're not using it in a loud band.

*even "the Captain" says that, if you know what I'm talkin' about

You (strangelight) seem like you are more into classic rock or retro guitar tones, based on your Townsend comment -- I think the Meathead is probably more over the top than what you want (?)

strangelight · July 30, 2011, 12:28:14 AM

nuh uh, man. i like a lot of doom and sludge and noise. i like some classic rock, but it's not the tone i'm looking for. i'm not really looking to sound like townshend, i actually just want a toy that'll give me a thick and heavy fuzz.

but, i'm not in a band or playing live. the soundproofing in my building is non-existent so i'm using an iso cab and cranking anything up too loud might blow the fuse on it. if the meathead really shines at 3 o'clock, but i'm never gonna be able to crank it up that high, then i guess i should save my pennies.

jibberish · July 30, 2011, 01:00:45 AM

SL, have you ever thought of getting a 1 watt tube amp so you can experience a fully driven tube sound first? get a 1X12 or even a 2X12 so it sounds big, but not loud.

having a super clean amp, like a stereo etc enables full on effects treatments.

having a fully driven tube already has a "sound" and your selection of what you want to do to that sound changes.

strangelight · July 30, 2011, 01:10:55 AM

i've had my peavey classic 50/212 for about 11 years and i've had it cranked plenty of times, so i know what a fully driven tube sounds like. my new place and the sound issue is fairly recent (since march of this year). the iso cab is my attempt to still crank it, but i've heard that you can't really dime out on the amp because it'll blow the fuse.

a 1 watt tube amp and a 1x12 cab would still be too loud for my place. i can hear my neighbour's tv louder and clearer than my own and i can hear people's conversations in the hallway as though they're standing right next to me in my apartment. it's pretty ridiculous and i wish i'd known it was going to be a problem before i moved in, but whatever.

all of that doesn't really change the fact that i'd like some pedals that don't need to be cranked to reach their full potential.

jibberish · July 30, 2011, 02:02:52 AM

ok then you definitely are in the "clean " school. actually that is easier to choose since the sound is all pedal and you want your amplification transparent as possible to not mess your effects sounds up. thats what i do. i get ungodly nasty stuff going with multiple effects and usually i play it very quietly through a very clean sound system so i can hear exactly what all the effects are doing.

you can also overdrive the inputs on a tube amp if it has that option, or use a drive pedal to see what level of warmth you get from that. here again, if the amp is adding to the sound, you have to re-listen to your chain vs clean.

real easy to get mud. i can show you many ways to screw up the track with too many effects

btw, dont be on the defensive here. everyone is trying to help, sling ideas around. these people are great. and for someone like me, being able to actually get feedback from actual band people and those who actually know wtf they are doing has been invaluable over the years. im sure it will be for you too. some peeps have everything gearwise, some of us have less heh, or waaaay less, but irrelevant if you are making music.

strangelight · July 30, 2011, 02:13:56 AM

i didn't mean to sound defensive, just trying to clarify what i'm looking for and what my situation is. i was digging the meathead so i'm a bit bummed that lumpy said it's at its best when it's loud, since i won't be able to use it that way for the next 2-4 years.

you all have been super helpful and i now have a wishlist way bigger than my budget.

VOLVO))) · July 30, 2011, 02:20:16 AM

Those Tone Wicker muffs ain't expensive, don't have to be super pushed, and definitely bring the fuzz... I'm in the market for a new dist/gain area, too...

diggin' on the Subdecay F-bomb.

jibberish · July 30, 2011, 02:40:29 AM

left field idea: for bedroom playing, have you looked into using your PC or laptop for effects? once you have some program ..like reaper, you can process realtime, especially if it is only 1 track for live playing.

the selection of software effects is humongous, maybe bigger. like those VST plugins etc. someone may have written something that sounds like what you want.

strangelight · July 30, 2011, 02:45:43 AM

i haven't tried the computer route yet. i don't have a digital mixer amp/fx modeler for a direct line in, so i've never tried it. it's an option, but i'm hoping the isolation cabinet and a pair of headphones can help me keep it analog.

Lumpy · July 30, 2011, 04:10:01 AM

I'm probably just being a bit snobby about the Meathead being cranked. (look at me, I have a Meathead) They are great for severe distortion but you can certainly use them at any level. I was just impressed with the string definition and texture when it's cranked (no mud). Kind of unusual IMO. If you can use it in other ways, more power to you. It's expensive though - around 200-225 bucks for a used one (new ones impossible to find basically) and it has only one knob... not that tweakable. Meathead would be good for a band like Sollubi, not so good for a band like Pearls & Brass (uh, maybe for solos or something). You can find something more flexible for less money, they are boutique-snobby, so, they are pricey. But ther just so happens to be one for sale in the forum, so I thought I would mention it. Seriously, go shopping, once you have a list of possibilities. There has to be a guitar store with boutique stomp boxes, in your area.

As far as recording, if you are on a Mac then Garageband should be free or downloadable. For PC a lot of people like Reaper I think (?) which has a free trial period you can keep renewing, or buy it for like 60 bucks. Then you just need a decent interface, and there are buttloads of choices. You already have the most expensive element (computer). Use your isolation cab or experiment with direct line in (and your stompboxes can stay in your signal chain, why not). Garage band has amp modeling, Reaper probably does. Will you record your slick-sounding album, probably not, but you can record a good sounding demo, or write songs, document ideas, work on developing arrangements, etc. Very useful, and you can do it without disturbing the neighbors.

jibberish · July 30, 2011, 05:42:06 AM

my most handiest toy is a POS little 12ch behringer mixer. it was like $100 with some effects even. it goes output via instrument level or via line level RCA jacks. you get the little stereo RCA female->1/8"stereomini jack converter from radioshaft for $5 and that plugs right into soundcard line in on any computer.

i have a firewire card but havent really needed a nice analog->digital i/o mixer yet. also, if you ever do step outside, it is a real mixer, powers mics and all.

ahhh speaking of outside..
i'm doing something you may really like also:(in the "free me from noise level constraints" train of thought...)
i'm shopping a camping generator, like 1500watts-2500watts range, like maybe $300-400 or so (unless you get a honda at 4x the price)
ponder this: have camping generator, will travel with small rig any-fucking-where out in the boonies/park system i want. eh eh eh noonan? think of the possibilities..go to real doom place like a dripping cave or the middle of the lake on a boat in a full moon...or ..who knows. i want to go to brandywine falls. they have a dripping cave. some dude just fell off and died there..\m/ mmmmm ambience...or the 150yr old sphinx carving by whipp's ledges. you expect to see elves there.

strangelight · July 30, 2011, 09:12:59 AM

are you gonna take the generator and go brown out in a cave? fucking sweet. do it.

lumpy, thanks for more clarification. the meathead is kinda pricey so it would depend on how many other things i want to get at the same time. one of the reasons i like the pharaoh is because, as you said, it's very tweakable.

i was also gonna grab a monitor mixer and just go straight to headphones, but i've got a macbook pro... i should probably really utilize it. i'll check out that behringer mixer. thanks for the suggestion.