I need to get a 24 inch resonant head by Saturday . My bass drum is eating them up left & right . Anyway so I'm looking for suggestions .
How is it eating the reso heads? I don't understand
They are splitting , when I got these vistas there was a center cut hole , thT ripped so I got another & put the port in more a traditional spot & ripped again. I can't be the only dude with this problem. It can't just be my heavy foot
Don't port it...
Maybe use gaffer's tape to reinforce the port? That shit is BURLY.
Quote from: SunnO))) on January 17, 2013, 02:38:24 PM
Don't port it...
intersting idea for vistas but something tells me it won't sound right
Quote from: RacerX on January 17, 2013, 02:56:33 PM
Maybe use gaffer's tape to reinforce the port? That shit is BURLY.
I tried to patch it with gaffers tape & it failed but yeah I plan to use it before it tears this time .
Now the question isn't so much how do I stop this from happening . I've got ideas for that . What in looking for is suggestions for a clear front head that I can probably pick up at gc
Interesting problem. perhaps when you are "porting" the hole edge is not clean and therefore giving it a chance to tear right away. Buy a pre-ported one maybe and if it tears just exchange it every time.
Quote from: RAGER on January 17, 2013, 03:13:39 PM
Interesting problem. perhaps when you are "porting" the hole edge is not clean and therefore giving it a chance to tear right away. Buy a pre-ported one maybe and if it tears just exchange it every time.
that's the plan for the future , gonna get it printed with the musket king logo & everything . But I'm playing Saturday & am looking to temporarily fix it . Well not temp but something for Saturday
Quote from: SunnO))) on January 17, 2013, 02:38:24 PM
Don't port it...
I gotta tell ya, as much as you know about geetar equipment, this is just plain silly unless you're...no, there is no unless.
Buy a pre-ported head. Tracing a can with an exacto has been known to yield splits. I use(d) Aquarian regulators. Pro tip: White looks baller.
As for short-term fix? Just remove the busted head. Plenty of kicks have sounded godly with no reso (provided there's some amplification, or the room is tiny.)
Quote from: mutantcolors on January 17, 2013, 03:37:45 PM
Quote from: SunnO))) on January 17, 2013, 02:38:24 PM
Don't port it...
I gotta tell ya, as much as you know about geetar equipment, this is just plain silly unless you're...no, there is no unless.
Buy a pre-ported head. Tracing a can with an exacto has been known to yield splits. I use(d) Aquarian regulators. Pro tip: White looks baller.
being in a band with lord finesse & pissy I've picked up my fair share of guitar knowledge , so much so I wanted to learn until I actually tried it .
I usually go with coated ambassadors . I kind of wanted a clear res for the bd because I use a work light to back light me (a trick I picked up from the truck fighters ) & I thought it would be cool with the vistas .
Probably, just any alternative to the standard black really.
My experience tells me there are reasons not to port, but knowing this board, none of them apply here.
I dunno 'bout that. Ask JustJon:
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Bigger drums sound better with no port
All I know is that bass drum sounds like God.
Quote from: apekillman on January 17, 2013, 05:54:55 PM
Bigger drums sound better with no port
even acrylics ? This boggles my mind . Maybe I'll try it . Any suggestions for a front head ?
I never port my kicks. 24 inch Mapex, 22 inch ludwig, my 18 I run no front head. Which is technically a big port, I guess.
I play a lot of faster shit, lots of blastbeats if that's what you are referring to in terms of "knowing" the players here.
Anyways, all my kicks sound fat and full without ports.
Also, the tin can method of porting works better than an exacto.
Quote from: SunnO))) on January 17, 2013, 07:12:03 PM
I never port my kicks. 24 inch Mapex, 22 inch ludwig, my 18 I run no front head. Which is technically a big port, I guess.
I play a lot of faster shit, lots of blastbeats if that's what you are referring to in terms of "knowing" the players here.
Anyways, all my kicks sound fat and full without ports.
I get how wood drums would sound better without a port . Acrylics aren't porous . For some reason I think this would make a big difference
I support the ported head.. as a sound engineer and as a guy who plays in a band with your big ass kick drum. That said, a solid head is not the end of the world. Either way has pros and cons. I agree though that pre-ported probably won't split as quickly as a hole that you cut.
The real question is what head to get ? Any suggestions ? I'll buy whatever tomorrow . I'll order whatever later
You have that shit lugged on tight, to be busting the resonant head??? Never heard of such a thing. Except once when I cut a shitty hole with a razor way back in high school.
I stopped using resonant heads after a while, just because they were too boomy with one, and I had to keep taking the fucking thing off and putting it back on to play with any batting inside the kick drum for a bit o muffling.
You don't like the sound without the resonant head? I've never played Vistalites.
While I may have cut a shitty hole with a pair of scissors that shit is on finger tight .
I'm not sure if its aesthetics but I hate bass drums or any drums for that matter
Without a resonant head . I think it's because I do like warm boomy drum sounds , the only bass drum muffling I use is 2 felt strips one above & one below where the beater strikes the head .
This thread is telling me that I must stomp that pedal like the hulk . 2 heads in a year I guess that is something
I stomp like a fucking hulk and never NEVER busted a reso, not even the one I cut myself. As stated above, I am a big believer in the Aquarian Regulator. And as lordfinesse pointed out, showing up with an unported reso and asking the sound guy to make you sound the way I suspect you want to sound will not make him your friend.
The point about "knowing this board" is that we all generally employ giant volume and power. Unported heads can sound fine if you're looking for extended BOOOOOOOOOM but if you want something more direct, it's disadvantageous for multiple reasons, the inability to mic in a very direct fashion being a major one.
If you want a tight sound with unported reso heads, tape some memory foam along the bottom of the fucker.
Real drummers don't dampen.
<- awaits some photo of a real drummer with a shitload of dampening.
Yeah man. I hit the drums damn hard and there's never been an instance that I've busted a reso without it getting physically punctured by a stray mic stand on stage or something pokey when loading/offloading. Cutting a shitty hole with scissors sounds like a good way to cause a rip, though. If for some reason I ever buy a non-ported head, I use the hot tin can method to make a port.
I'll throw my own two cents in here and say that a bigger, as in wider drum, will not necessarily sound better with a non-ported head. I could see how a shallow drum, as in 14" deep or shorter would still sound good (or better) non-ported, as the mic would still be close enough to the batter head to get plenty of attack. A longer drum would need a port to get added attack.
What is the classic vistalite 14 x 24 ? I'm gonna port something tomorrow . I'll try the can thing. Just gotta find the right can
Yeah, most Vistalite bass drums are 14" deep. A soup can works well.
Quote from: Discö Rice on January 18, 2013, 03:49:32 PM
Yeah, most Vistalite bass drums are 14" deep. A soup can works well.
it's not too small ?
If it's big enough to get the head of a kick mic in it, it'll do the trick.
Quote from: mutantcolors on January 18, 2013, 04:28:34 PM
If it's big enough to get the head of a kick mic in it, it'll do the trick.
^^^what he said.
Think Progresso not Campbells
why are none of the other drums not ported? Except the concert toms. And I always hated that sound. Big drum, no port, no baffle, tuned correctly = beautiful doom. Marching band bass drum = no port. Sounds great
Tons are ported in a way . They have that hole in the shell . But I think the main reason is size
The main reason is sound, using a single microphone on a huge ass drum like that makes a difficult task out of finding all the desirable frequencies one wants to amplify. No kick attack is like the difference between nylon string classical and a raspy, pick scrapy acoustic.
Quote from: mutantcolors on January 18, 2013, 02:54:36 PM
Real drummers don't dampen.
<- awaits some photo of a real drummer with a shitload of dampening.
Silly generalization. That's like saying real guitar players don't use master volumes.
Real guitar players don't dampen.
Does palm muting count?
If so, I'm a complete fraud.
No, I was referring to wet farts and pee leak, mostly. So you're good.
Crap. >:(
I never take the stage without my DependsTM these daze...
I muffle as little as I can , If I had wanted my drums to sound like cardboard boxes filled with pillows I would have saved a bunch of cash
just like bass drums have the vent hole too. and air escapes from the mounting holes, unless its a virgin shell.
classic bonham size kick is 26
My 26 is fine , cut that hole too. Granted it gets a lot less action because its the husky but still . I got both those heads fir my birthday show in October. Anyway . Gif a reso head today . It's black so thumbs down for that . Bout to port it as soon as I find a can
You're sittin on one. Oh!! I'll be here all week.
Quote from: RAGER on January 19, 2013, 03:00:37 PM
You're sittin on one. Oh!! I'll be here all week.
there was a time at the milestone where they had bud light lime cans for a buck. The catch besides it being a bll you has to ask for it in the can , I want it in the can , can I get one in the can . You get the idea . Good times
Quote from: natehusky on January 19, 2013, 02:34:09 PM
I muffle as little as I can , If I had wanted my drums to sound like cardboard boxes filled with pillows I would have saved a bunch of cash
das what da fuck I'm talkin abooooooot
Let's say it this way: A vast majority drummers who understand how to achieve great tone do not dampen.
Quote from: mutantcolors on January 19, 2013, 05:52:05 PM
Quote from: natehusky on January 19, 2013, 02:34:09 PM
I muffle as little as I can , If I had wanted my drums to sound like cardboard boxes filled with pillows I would have saved a bunch of cash
das what da fuck I'm talkin abooooooot
Let's say it this way: A vast majority drummers who understand how to achieve great tone do not dampen.
i don't think I'm a good drummer but I think my drums sound good
thx for the seriously good learning thread..."I had no idea...."
oh ya, and natehumbly over there. shuddup, you rule.
Quote from: mutantcolors on January 19, 2013, 05:52:05 PM
Quote from: natehusky on January 19, 2013, 02:34:09 PM
I muffle as little as I can , If I had wanted my drums to sound like cardboard boxes filled with pillows I would have saved a bunch of cash
das what da fuck I'm talkin abooooooot
Let's say it this way: A vast majority drummers who understand how to achieve great tone do not dampen.
What, you want your kick drum to go
BONGI'm not talking about stuffing it full of pillows or anything, but a little felt or a second skin ring gets that nice deep thud without twangy echo reverb bass.
Quote from: mutantcolors on January 19, 2013, 05:52:05 PMQuote from: natehusky on January 19, 2013, 02:34:09 PMI muffle as little as I can , If I had wanted my drums to sound like cardboard boxes filled with pillows I would have saved a bunch of cash
das what da fuck I'm talkin abooooooot
Let's say it this way: A vast majority drummers who understand how to achieve great tone do not dampen.
I think "great tone" is completely subjective, just like guitar tone. I don't like a metric fuckton of boom in my kick, so I put a little felt strip at the bottom of my reso it is somewhat dead, but not completely. I don't understand why you feel the need to defame other people's technique because it doesn't 100% agree with yours. My drums sound great, and I don't port, and I dampen, albeit minimally. So, yeah.
Edit: as Nate says, Im not the best drummer but i know my kit sounds good.
I went around the blocks for a decade lusting after the best possible sound I could get, and that experience eventually led me to no muffling, single ply heads, a ported reso, huge sticks, thin cymbals and probably some other stuff that you might think are bad ideas, but they fucking work. If your drum goes BONG it's a tuning issue. Resonance is incredible...unless you're talking about a kick, for what I want out of a drum kit. The more dampening, the heavier the heads used, the less the drum has to offer. There's a lot more to a kit than THUD. Anyway... this horse looks beat.
No, I don't break cymbals if that's what is about to come up.
I've never broken a cymbal, either.
I've actually broken 3. But I also play with the butt ends of the sticks and the butt ends of girls.
/doing it wrong but don't wanna be right
I don't get it, it's almost as if different people like different sounds or something.
/sarc
Real drummers don't like different sounds.
When I still played drums I was a hard hitter and have blown out a couple of front heads on bass drums. It's only thin single ply plastic so it's bound to happen. The hole causes a weak spot.
A bass drum with a full resonator head minimally dampened sounds the best to me acoustically. The thud comes from the beater side and the resonator allows the low end to sustain. If you play a lot of faster stuff then you will probably want to start adding more dampening so things don't get too muddy.
So I would set up the drum the way I liked acoustically in the studio with a full resonator head and minimal damping and mic it from both sides and add in a room mic. Live I would just put on a head with a huge hole in it, throw a blanket in the drum and let the soundman put one mic inside the drum right up behind the front head.
These days with mics getting cheaper I would probably invest in a nice mic and permanently mount it inside my bass drum for the best of both worlds. Keeping a resonant sounding drum but allowing the mic to sit up right behind the beater for live.
Or I might just set up a trigger system like the death metal guys do now. Probably the easiest way to get a consistantly decent sound no matter who the soundman is.
Quote from: Jake on January 20, 2013, 01:39:57 PM
Real drummers don't like different sounds.
Real drummers
can't hear different sounds.
*ducks*
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Quote from: mutantcolors on January 18, 2013, 02:54:36 PM
Real drummers don't dampen.
<- awaits some photo of a real drummer with a shitload of dampening.
It's actually not implying i am a real drummer that i reply (even though i believe i am lol) but i agree. Dampening the drums is making them smaller and if you know how to tune you can accomplish any sound and any reso.
Quote from: agent of change on January 20, 2013, 01:03:37 AM
Quote from: mutantcolors on January 19, 2013, 05:52:05 PM
Quote from: natehusky on January 19, 2013, 02:34:09 PM
I muffle as little as I can , If I had wanted my drums to sound like cardboard boxes filled with pillows I would have saved a bunch of cash
das what da fuck I'm talkin abooooooot
Let's say it this way: A vast majority drummers who understand how to achieve great tone do not dampen.
What, you want your kick drum to go BONG
I'm not talking about stuffing it full of pillows or anything, but a little felt or a second skin ring gets that nice deep thud without twangy echo reverb bass.
I found the trick is if you want your kick to sound short and dry and as loud as possible: don't dampen. Instead tune the resohead so tight until it almost breaks (as a figure of speech) and then you can experiment with the batter head to find the sweet spot. Doing this is absolutely worth it, because dampening the drum is like making the shell smaller, which means
less volume.
QuoteI found the trick is if you want your kick to sound short and dry and as loud as possible: don't dampen. Instead tune the resohead so tight until it almost breaks (as a figure of speech) and then you can experiment with the batter head to find the sweet spot. Doing this is absolutely worth it, because dampening the drum is like making the shell smaller, which means less volume.
^^^Oof. There are lots of ways to tune your drums, yes, but imagining what that would sound like causes me physical pain.
I use an Aquarian Superkick II batter (which has a little muffling attached to it. It's a great sounding head for a deep, punchy, meaty, wet sound) and I think I have an EMAD reso on there, but Aquarian Regulators are my usual reso head. Batter is tuned up high enough that it doesn't growl, same with the resonant resonant head. There's nothing inside the shell of the the drum (no blankets or anything) and it's got all the punch in the world with just enough ring to fill out the bottom end like a pair of Apple Bottom jeans. Take some time and experiment with tuning your drum, and buy heads with descriptions that match the sound you want.
My old drummer uses the Evans variety with the foam muffle ring inside and his 22 inch Pearl sounded godly. But i figure much of that is because he is a godly drummer. They're a bit pricey but next time I'm up for a batter head imma finna get one of those.
:) Yeah man - light muffling at most on the head and nothing inside the shell is the way to go.
Quote from: Discö Rice on January 23, 2013, 12:56:59 PM
QuoteI found the trick is if you want your kick to sound short and dry and as loud as possible: don't dampen. Instead tune the resohead so tight until it almost breaks (as a figure of speech) and then you can experiment with the batter head to find the sweet spot. Doing this is absolutely worth it, because dampening the drum is like making the shell smaller, which means less volume.
^^^Oof. There are lots of ways to tune your drums, yes, but imagining what that would sound like causes me physical pain.
I use an Aquarian Superkick II batter (which has a little muffling attached to it. It's a great sounding head for a deep, punchy, meaty, wet sound) and I think I have an EMAD reso on there, but Aquarian Regulators are my usual reso head. Batter is tuned up high enough that it doesn't growl, same with the resonant resonant head. There's nothing inside the shell of the the drum (no blankets or anything) and it's got all the punch in the world with just enough ring to fill out the bottom end like a pair of Apple Bottom jeans. Take some time and experiment with tuning your drum, and buy heads with descriptions that match the sound you want.
The tighter the reso the less the sustain, if that is of course the sound you are looking for. I like the sound of muffled kick drums but don't like anything in the shell. This is why i tuned my reso so high.
Well yes, when you over-tension a head, it chokes the resonance of the shell, so if you want a high-pitched, choked sound, that would do it. Might be cool for a high, small tom, but I like my bass drum low and loud.
Put me in the category of liking a fuckton of boom in my kick.
Quote from: Discö Rice on January 23, 2013, 06:02:47 PM
Well yes, when you over-tension a head, it chokes the resonance of the shell, so if you want a high-pitched, choked sound, that would do it. Might be cool for a high, small tom, but I like my bass drum low and loud.
I wouldn't call it over-tension, just as tight as possible and the batter head tuned lower which determinants the pitch. Also the kick becomes more punchy when the reso head is tighter. Give it a try, maybe you'll like it i know i do!
As tight as possible = way too much tension for any drum that isn't a super-modern kevlar-headed marching snare. Too much tension is hard on your lugs and can contribute to your shells warping. All I'm saying is that there are less destructive and better sounding ways to control ring/overtones and add punch.
Tight as possible with a sense of course, i didn't guerrilla screw the damn thing and it sounds just awesome. Well, if you got better ways that suite you no problem for me, if i ever break my hoops i may try it too!