thinking about getting a 50 watt 4x10 combo, but i haven't played any others....i'm looking for a good all round tube amp....i need it for a discharge style punk band....been considering a bugera 1960 and a peavey windsor too.....my budget is under $500.
All are pretty sweet options, honestly. The classic is more... classic?
The Windsor is british and somewhat reliable (IRON BILL should chime in.)
Peavey classics are great. I don't know about reliability cause I've never owned one but damn they sound good. Plus you're going to get really good distribution of your sound with 4 speakers working together. Not familiar with those other amps.
They sound pretty good, and really shine when cranked up. although serious low end might be an issue.
What makes you say low end will be missing? The 10 inch speakers or the wattage? Just curious for my own information.
It might be an issue, Because I've only ever heard one cranked with a standard tuned guitar. And the bass wasen't really turned up. But it still had a really chunky sound, but I doubt the 10inch speakers could really handle very low tunings. I'm sure it could handle C or D but not with the EQ boosting the bass. but it has been a while since I last heard one. So try one out yourself. and be sure to turn it up past 5.
Quote from: SpaceTrucker on December 26, 2011, 07:56:40 PM
It might be an issue, Because I've only ever heard one cranked with a standard tuned guitar. And the bass wasen't really turned up. But it still had a really chunky sound, but I doubt the 10inch speakers could really handle very low tunings. I'm sure it could handle C or D but not with the EQ boosting the bass. but it has been a while since I last heard one. So try one out yourself. and be sure to turn it up past 5.
so a 2x12 would be a better choice?......i haven't played a open-back amp in a low tuning either....
i've got a peavey classic 50/2x12. takes to low tuning just fine. i haven't gigged with it, but i've moved at least 6 times since owning it and it is unfazed. i love it long time.
Quote from: SunnO))) on December 26, 2011, 04:35:42 PM
All are pretty sweet options, honestly. The classic is more... classic?
The Windsor is british and somewhat reliable (IRON BILL should chime in.)
Peavey Windsor is a great sounding amp that has quality of build issues >:(
It was in the shop while under warranty and came back better then ever but has since suffered from bad soldering and as a result is not being used. All that being said, I would still recommend it for those JCM 800/900 needs. As soon as I get some $$$, i'm going to get it fixed but good and use the fuck out of it AGAIN!!!!
I've got a Classic 50 head that crushes. I cannot recommend these enough. Gorgeous cleans, thick disto. I need to record that thing so you guys can smell what's cookin.
The Classic 50 has an interesting design, in that it uses EL-84's and runs them beyond the typical rated plate voltage (about 20% if memory serves), that said I've not seen them fail yet. The tubes are all mounted horizontally on little PCB's one for the EL84's and one for the 12AX7's hooked to the main PCB via little flexi-cables.
The Windsor like IM said, great Marshall clone, especially if you're willing to take the time and go through it fixing some of the crappy shortcuts Peavey made on it. An afternoon with a soldering iron, and a caulk gun can work wonders and make it pretty bombproof.
Best sound I ever heard recently was a Classic 50 2x12 combo (open back) running on the clean channel, with the Sunn christened Kilt Fuzz (kind of like a Meathead Dark), and a Strat of all things with Lace Sensor single coils. Meaty as hell, way better than what we could get on the dirty channel, which tends to be a little thin IMHO.
There was a Classic 50 head going round here recently for $300 and I've seen the combos around the $350 mark. They do have external speaker jacks, and you can drop the chassis out and mount it in a head cabinet, so don't let the combo put you off, if you have any woodworking skills.
Below is the Classic 50 in question.
(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/224637_1701771991031_1439903504_31354664_1918111_n.jpg)(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/227617_1701772671048_1439903504_31354669_4346608_n.jpg)
Kilt fuzz 4 lyfe!
I'll eyelet board one once you make me a layout!
dammit, I was hoping you forgot, I sketched out the components, but I'd have to peel of the mounting crud to get to the back-side. Err I'll get back to it I suppose.
oh, i also have to send my big muffs to hemi to get them fixed! ha!
I do have a certain reputation with muffs, which I deny absolutely to boyfriends ;)
Quote from: Hemisaurus on December 27, 2011, 03:58:37 PM
I do have a certain reputation with muffs, which I deny absolutely to boyfriends ;)
awe SNAP!
What about the carvin vt50 (or nomad combos) model? They seem similar to the peavey classic 50's (in design and build quality) and the heads run $500 new?
http://www.carvinguitars.com/products/single.php?product=VT50
I have a Peavey Classic VTX open back 2x12 that I bought at a pawn shop for a little over $100 when I was 18. I have treated it, on and off, good and like shit. Still sounds great. Definitely handle some Broken Bones and Downtuned riffage. Definitely needs a good PA mic-ing it if anybody else on stage has any firepower.
I've unhooked the 2x12s run it through a 4x12.
Also coming from a a/b'd octave down into the peavey into an 8x12.
I do need to get another footswitch for it so I can figure out if it's just the footswitch thats broken or maybe the onboard reverb is fucked, too. (shhhh, I've never changed the tubes in it. ever. yet).
Quote from: Lanticus on December 27, 2011, 04:41:58 PM
I do need to get another footswitch for it so I can figure out if it's just the footswitch thats broken or maybe the onboard reverb is fucked, too. (shhhh, I've never changed the tubes in it. ever. yet).
Rarely do Peavey use tubes to power the reverb, so you should be safe there. Looking at a schematic for what I think is your amp, it's all solid state bar for the power section?
http://music-electronics-forum.com/attachments/6442d1254173505-pv-classic-vtx.pdf (http://music-electronics-forum.com/attachments/6442d1254173505-pv-classic-vtx.pdf)
in which case it's more than likely going to be the footswitch is either broken or just wrong. Easiest way to find out is with a jack plug and a paperclip, either a stereo jack if it's a two function footswitch or a mono jack, if it's a one function. Use the paperclip to short ring to ground (sleeve) or tip to ground and see what you get.
If it's a Peavey DIN, find another Peavey footswitch ;)
Actually the schematic says pins 1 & 2, you could try connecting those pins and see what you get ;)
Hey Hemi, where are you based out of? me thinks I should send you my Windsor and have you fix it since you seem to have the most desired knowledge of 'em. I think it would be worth it just to make that baby bombproof....
Springfield, IL ish. I would probably void your warranty though, so don't do it if it's still covered. Not a licensed Peavey dealer ;)
Yeah - it's solid power and tube pre.
I'm fairly certain it's the footswitch, and the reverb is stuck off. Because the phase is stuck on, I just turn the depth all the way down. The channel selector works occasionally, but I don't ever use the clean only channel anymore anyway, as I don't put distortion pedals in front of this amp anymore.
I'm pretty dumb - what's a DIN? What are the pins 1 and 2?
I think you asked about the footswitch connector, too - It looks kind of like an S-Video plug. I'm not sure what those are called.
Thanx for your insight, btw, brother!
DIN is a german standard, it describes the connector Peavey use for their complicated footswitches. I think they more or less standardized the wiring, so all 3 button footswitches are wired the same, all 4 button etc. So you just need to figure how many switches you should have and get a new one. Here for example is a 4 button job. You can maybe use it to buzz outbyour current footswitch.
(http://music-electronics-forum.com/attachments/15646d1317985836-peavey-deuce-vt-footswitch-correct-wiring-color-codes.jpg)
Thanx, Hemi!
any truth to the classics going thru tubes quickly? i read a couple of stories about this....
Quote from: kirky on December 29, 2011, 03:18:55 PM
any truth to the classics going thru tubes quickly? i read a couple of stories about this....
i think the older (mid 90s version) did. i don't think the new ones have problems.
Quote from: Hemisaurus on December 27, 2011, 02:30:17 PM
The Classic 50 has an interesting design, in that it uses EL-84's and runs them beyond the typical rated plate voltage (about 20% if memory serves), that said I've not seen them fail yet. The tubes are all mounted horizontally on little PCB's one for the EL84's and one for the 12AX7's hooked to the main PCB via little flexi-cables.
Below is the Classic 50 in question.
(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/224637_1701771991031_1439903504_31354664_1918111_n.jpg)(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/227617_1701772671048_1439903504_31354669_4346608_n.jpg)
I think it's probably more an improvement in tube manufacturing and QC. The design remains the same.
I had the 1x12 combo years back and liked it but I sold it after I got my first head and 4x12. Mid level gain type amp, would need pedals to do high gain sounds.
I love my Classic 50 head. I am the original owner, I bought it new in 1993. It sounds good for most applications. The dirt channel is not very impressive though. The EL84s do in fact flub out on the very lowest notes when I'm tuned to C.
Quote from: justinhedrick on December 29, 2011, 04:25:04 PM
Quote from: kirky on December 29, 2011, 03:18:55 PM
any truth to the classics going thru tubes quickly? i read a couple of stories about this....
i think the older (mid 90s version) did. i don't think the new ones have problems.
I have never had one single problem with this amp ever. I certainly have not babied it either. I used to use it almost every day from the day I bought it till around 2004 when I got my V4. I practiced in two bands and gigged pretty heavily during that time. I have replaced tubes on it twice but never out of necessity, I just had some money burning a hole in my pocket.
I think this thread is dead now kirky bought a Laney?
for me it is...... ;)
Well, the Laney is more of a proper amp, to me. Being that none of the tubes, pots, or jacks are mounted to the PCB. Insomuch that it should hopefully be a bit more rugged.
(http://dub.greboguru.org/laney/p3300007.jpg)
Now the proud owner of my own Classic 50 head ??? Wonder how it will do on bass.
I may be picking up a Classic 50 head with a Peavey 4x12 cab in a trade for a MIM Fender PBass that i have. It a good deal imo and I don't use the bass anymore. Chances are good i will just use it a as a bargaining tool to get something else that i may want. I have no need for another head/4x12 cab. I have played the combo version of this amp, i think it had 4x10 attached, and it was really awesome sounding. I played it side by side with a Fender Blues Deluxe(?) 4x10 combo and it just smoked the Fender. I may have the model of that Fender wrong btw.
Yeah, Blues Deluxes sound fucking awful.
I like everything about the Classic 50 head: Lush reverb, sparkling cleans, tight crunch, thick distortion, solid build, compact housing, tweed covering, no-bullshit controls (that go to 12!), chickenhead knobs, tube cooling fan. I could go on and on and on.
I've said this before and I'll probably say it again, this has been my go-to amplifier for a while. And considering the other amplifiers I have access to (SunnT, JCM800, Orange, Bogner, AC30), I think that says a lot.
PS - I should note that my Classic 50 is a pre-effects loop model from 1991 (1st year) and those appear to be the most regarded among many interneters.
PPS - Look at this sexy bitch.
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k32/jakeh_02/Classic50.jpg)
I wonder how close the Classics are to the Laney LC30s.
The more i read up on the Classic 50 head , the more I am thinking about keeping it. It really seems like a good head to have as at least a back up. I have been trying to ID the cab but I have yet to determine what Peavey cab it is because the numbers are hard to read on the back..
Hey Jake, how well does your classic 50 take pedals? Do you have enough headroom?
I always keep an eye out for one of these heads but debate whether another 2 channel amp is really what I'm looking for.
Quote from: Hemisaurus on December 27, 2011, 02:30:17 PM
(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/227617_1701772671048_1439903504_31354669_4346608_n.jpg)
That picture seriously screwed up my eyes. Took me a while to register that you said el84's and 12ax7's. The tube socket bases make them look like a quad of el34's and a bunch of short and squat octal tubes in a shape I've never seen before.
Quote from: bitter on February 01, 2012, 07:51:08 PM
Hey Jake, how well does your classic 50 take pedals? Do you have enough headroom?
I always keep an eye out for one of these heads but debate whether another 2 channel amp is really what I'm looking for.
Hmmm. Not sure. I've never put anything dirty in front of it. Never felt the need to. Only used delays and such.
I want that cab so bad. I have the matching 800.
Quote from: Jake on February 01, 2012, 08:36:31 PM
Quote from: bitter on February 01, 2012, 07:51:08 PM
Hey Jake, how well does your classic 50 take pedals? Do you have enough headroom?
I always keep an eye out for one of these heads but debate whether another 2 channel amp is really what I'm looking for.
Hmmm. Not sure. I've never put anything dirty in front of it. Never felt the need to. Only used delays and such.
Well that really does say quite a bit about the amp then, especially with the other rigs you mentioned. I think I might keep an eye out for one.
I just picked my Classic 50 and Peavey 4x12 today. Very cool head so far. The clean channel is really super clean which surprised the hell out of me. The lead channel is nice...raw I guess is the best way to describe it. Its just a straight rock and rock tone for days! Gonna ABY it with my Marshall TSL 100 for a showdown. I haven't decided if I want to keep the Peavey yet. I really don't need it but i got it on a good trade (MIM P-Bass that i wasn't using for the head and cab!). Original Footswitch too.
My only issue is somebody painted the head and cab beige/tan and the corners brown. It doesn't look bad but it still bothers me. The head was tweed and i really dig that on amps. I don't know if i painted it black all over and replaced the corners with chrome if it would help or not. I never did a re-tolex job and I am not sure what to do. The guys paint job isn't horrible....it just bugs me and is gonna make this one difficult to get rid of if i wanted to.
Tweed tolex can be had from most suppliers.
My 50 is now a bass power amp, and I'm thinking about swapping it to use EL34's, needs me to fit a couple of octal sockets and modify the bias supply to up it a little bit.
Quote from: Hemisaurus on February 08, 2012, 03:34:00 PM
Tweed tolex can be had from most suppliers.
My 50 is now a bass power amp, and I'm thinking about swapping it to use EL34's, needs me to fit a couple of octal sockets and modify the bias supply to up it a little bit.
Can you steer me in good direction as to a good supplier Hemi?
You could also strip the tolex and paint the shell with Duratex (a type of bedliner paint).
IF i recover it, I think that i would like to take the head back to its original tweed. As for the cab...ehhh its a Peavey XXL cab....I guess back to black.
Quote from: hayseed on February 08, 2012, 04:01:39 PM
Can you steer me in good direction as to a good supplier Hemi?
http://www.cedist.com/ http://www.tubesandmore.com
http://www.mojotone.com
Quote from: inductorguitars on February 08, 2012, 06:58:33 PM
Quote from: hayseed on February 08, 2012, 04:01:39 PM
Can you steer me in good direction as to a good supplier Hemi?
http://www.cedist.com/ http://www.tubesandmore.com
http://www.mojotone.com
Thank you
Also, if you decide to tolex, rather than tweed, a friend of mine used to use marine vinyl, which you get from boat supply stores I think, they use it on upholstery, I think he said it was harder wearing, or easier to work with or something.
Quote from: Hemisaurus on February 08, 2012, 08:30:28 PM
Also, if you decide to tolex, rather than tweed, a friend of mine used to use marine vinyl, which you get from boat supply stores I think, they use it on upholstery, I think he said it was harder wearing, or easier to work with or something.
That was similar to an an idea that my Dad approached me with. He said that he used to re-upholster seats in cars back in the day and was trying to come up with an alternative way of doing things on these cabs. It would have to be a close match to regular tolex but he said that they used to use heat guns to stretch things out. I may look into that as well.
Any suggestions on paint if I decided to paint them black? does any thing stick better than the rest?
Quote from: hayseed on February 09, 2012, 10:29:25 AM
Any suggestions on paint if I decided to paint them black? does any thing stick better than the rest?
The best paint would be http://www.benjaminmoore.com/en-us/for-architects-and-designers/paint-products/super-spec-hp-urethanes/P74?lang=en_US&role=A#a_rt=rt_ep,rt_poly,rt_alacr_urt&piSheen=P74&advs=1&tab=3
I think (BM changes their paint names like underwear). All you would need is a pint. This is very similar to the paint that they use for the Yellow and White lines in the road. I've used it for an adult potty chair.
Quote from: inductorguitars on February 10, 2012, 11:39:57 AM
Quote from: hayseed on February 09, 2012, 10:29:25 AM
Any suggestions on paint if I decided to paint them black? does any thing stick better than the rest?
The best paint would be http://www.benjaminmoore.com/en-us/for-architects-and-designers/paint-products/super-spec-hp-urethanes/P74?lang=en_US&role=A#a_rt=rt_ep,rt_poly,rt_alacr_urt&piSheen=P74&advs=1&tab=3
I think (BM changes their paint names like underwear). All you would need is a pint. This is very similar to the paint that they use for the Yellow and White lines in the road. I've used it for an adult potty chair.
After a little research, I called my local API (autobody store). They have a paint called SEM that is for vinyl and plastics that they say will work. There is also a Krylon aerosol paint that will work as well. Hopefully the stuff that was already painted on this cab doesnt react with what I'm gonna use. It may not stick if it does.
Quote from: justinhedrick on February 10, 2012, 11:57:16 AM
go on . . .
Heh.
I figured this wouldn't get past... My ex was a pro Dom and I built dungeon furniture and paddles (I still have some left - I should put them on ebay) So the Adult potty chair was a smallish chair with a hole cut out on the seat. Plus the front and side "legs" had a cut out that one could put their head (and arms/shoulders) underneath the "potty hole" to collect the effluence.
People are weird. :'(
So the paint/chair had to be cleaned up with bleach and/or alcohol. IIRC the paint took abit longer to cure but nothing to bad. Worked like a Charmin. :P
Quote from: inductorguitars on February 10, 2012, 03:19:51 PM
Quote from: justinhedrick on February 10, 2012, 11:57:16 AM
go on . . .
Heh.
I figured this wouldn't get past... My ex was a pro Dom and I built dungeon furniture and paddles (I still have some left - I should put them on ebay) So the Adult potty chair was a smallish chair with a hole cut out on the seat. Plus the front and side "legs" had a cut out that one could put their head (and arms/shoulders) underneath the "potty hole" to collect the effluence.
People are weird. :'(
So the paint/chair had to be cleaned up with bleach and/or alcohol. IIRC the paint took abit longer to cure but nothing to bad. Worked like a Charmin. :P
this is the most fucked up thing you will ever say on this forum. ever.
:D All I saw was Dom and dungeon and thought "he's back". :o
Quote from: justinhedrick on February 10, 2012, 03:34:59 PM
Quote from: inductorguitars on February 10, 2012, 03:19:51 PM
Quote from: justinhedrick on February 10, 2012, 11:57:16 AM
go on . . .
Heh.
I figured this wouldn't get past... My ex was a pro Dom and I built dungeon furniture and paddles (I still have some left - I should put them on ebay) So the Adult potty chair was a smallish chair with a hole cut out on the seat. Plus the front and side "legs" had a cut out that one could put their head (and arms/shoulders) underneath the "potty hole" to collect the effluence.
People are weird. :'(
So the paint/chair had to be cleaned up with bleach and/or alcohol. IIRC the paint took abit longer to cure but nothing to bad. Worked like a Charmin. :P
this is the most fucked up thing you will ever say on this forum. ever.
Where did this conversation go astray?................................
hahaha! Potty chairs are always funny.
ANYWAY- I found vinyl / marine vinyl/ "tolex" stuff at a JoAnn Fabrics store in my home town. I'm sure its not the same texture that Peavey uses but they had every color under the sun including black which is what i wanted. The paint is in every Advanced Auto Parts store and goes for $7.99 for an aerosol can. Ithink i will recover these because i never tried that yet. I will probably order the tweed covering for the head online. Wish me luck. I will post pics when i get it done.
Quote from: justinhedrick on February 10, 2012, 03:34:59 PM
this is the most fucked up thing you will ever say on this forum. ever.
Which part? or the whole thing? ;D
That paint is really really good. I still think I have a quart of it. But the color is Benjamin Moore Baby Boy Blue.
http://www.myperfectcolor.com/en/color/3493_Benjamin-Moore-2056-50-Baby-Boy-Blue (http://www.myperfectcolor.com/en/color/3493_Benjamin-Moore-2056-50-Baby-Boy-Blue)
I'll paint anyone's amp/cab/guitar this color but you gotta post picks of it with you and your gear.
I moved my Classic 50 head and 412 cab to our practice spot last week to use until i decide whether to recover it or just sell it. Truth is, I really liked playing it! These really have a sound all to their own. Very killer straight rock tone! The clean channel is WAY better than my Marshall JCM2000 TSL(not surprising there!) as is the reverb ( again, no shock). I have seen people compare the lead channel to the "Marshall roar" on several occasions And i can honestly say that is a false statement. They sound nothing alike IMO. I used my Radial Big Shot to ABY them and its really night and day. The sound together is just godlike to me however. The Peavey seems to get the highs and upper mids while the Marshall really covered the low end better. Very cool regardless. It a little late on this post I figured that i would share.
I have looked into the covering needed for it. I still may attempt to do it myself just to get some experience doing that but without a garage, I will have to wait out winter.
Quote from: hayseed on February 10, 2012, 12:10:52 PM
Quote from: inductorguitars on February 10, 2012, 11:39:57 AM
Quote from: hayseed on February 09, 2012, 10:29:25 AM
Any suggestions on paint if I decided to paint them black? does any thing stick better than the rest?
The best paint would be http://www.benjaminmoore.com/en-us/for-architects-and-designers/paint-products/super-spec-hp-urethanes/P74?lang=en_US&role=A#a_rt=rt_ep,rt_poly,rt_alacr_urt&piSheen=P74&advs=1&tab=3
I think (BM changes their paint names like underwear). All you would need is a pint. This is very similar to the paint that they use for the Yellow and White lines in the road. I've used it for an adult potty chair.
After a little research, I called my local API (autobody store). They have a paint called SEM that is for vinyl and plastics that they say will work. There is also a Krylon aerosol paint that will work as well. Hopefully the stuff that was already painted on this cab doesnt react with what I'm gonna use. It may not stick if it does.
If it does react, just get a good bonding primer like Zinnser Cover Stain.