Orange OR Series

[FullCustom]

I'm working on a Mid 70's ORSL120, the customer found it at a yard-sale. We'll be putting some pics on the Facebooks, some might find their way here as well.

I looked at the new OR series I was disappointed with the lack of the FAC control. I guess there're not going for the original bear attach sound of the OR120. Anyone played the OR15?

[Jake]

Can't help you there but I sure wish I was at that garage sale.

[dunwichamps]

the new oranges have little to do with the schems from the 70s.

[Drama]

The OR15 is cool enough in its own way.

I'm heading to Orange soon to check out the new OR100, I'm not sure if it's something I'll personally get on with but will be cool to have a play with one.

[FullCustom]

I finished the Slave 120. I think I like it better than the OR120. I think I used half my bag of tie wraps though. Put TAD 6L6WGCs in it for a faux KT66 sound.

[fallen]

I'm sure it's impossible but a kit to add a board into one of these new Oranges to replace the stock preamp with a vintage style one would be awesome.

I've been seeing more and more of these popping up used for fairly cheap some of the time.

[VOLVO)))]

The OR15 sounds like high gain garbage.

[FullCustom]

It'd be nice to know what sort of tone stack they are using before ripping the PCB out of an OR15. The three band Baxandall would be sweet. But I have a feel it's just of the Marshall/Bassman flair. I'd go for a better output transformer before ditching the PC board.

[VOLVO)))]

Have you ever seen the inside of a new Orange? They're fucking awful. Shit construction, shit designs... don't bother, haha. Build something real. The new Oranges all sound like high gain metal amps, akin to Peavey 5150s and shit.

[everdrone]

I dig my thunderverb 50, it really gets that DOWN tone

the or1oo seems promising for some

[dunwichamps]

if it has a mid control, assume its a FMV from a marshall or fender. There is not true mid control for a baxandall.

My advice is buy something else for the price you will pay for the Orange.

[VOLVO)))]

if it has a mid control, assume its a FMV from a marshall or fender. There is not true mid control for a baxandall.

My advice is buy something else for the price you will pay for the Orange.

Like Apple stock, or something.

[everdrone]

Have a look on utube for an American band called 'Rival Sons' the guitarist ... The guitarist uses a Firebird through a Thunderverb and fuzz pedals

sounds great, play what you like! 

[FullCustom]

if it has a mid control, assume its a FMV from a marshall or fender. There is not true mid control for a baxandall.

My advice is buy something else for the price you will pay for the Orange.

Um, dude... You can do a five band Baxandall if you want. It would just take a lot of capacitors and at some point a graphic EQ with chokes or gyrators would be more practical.

[moose23]

if it has a mid control, assume its a FMV from a marshall or fender. There is not true mid control for a baxandall.

My advice is buy something else for the price you will pay for the Orange.

Um, dude... You can do a five band Baxandall if you want. It would just take a lot of capacitors and at some point a graphic EQ with chokes or gyrators would be more practical.

You're right you can modify the Baxandall tone control circuit to have as many bands as you want but the original circuit as designed by Peter Baxandall is only treble and bass so more than treble and bass isn't a true Baxandall tone circuit which is what Dunwich said.

[FullCustom]

As promised, the ORSL120

[dunwichamps]

if it has a mid control, assume its a FMV from a marshall or fender. There is not true mid control for a baxandall.

My advice is buy something else for the price you will pay for the Orange.

Um, dude... You can do a five band Baxandall if you want. It would just take a lot of capacitors and at some point a graphic EQ with chokes or gyrators would be more practical.

sure it could be but starting with just the baxandall or james (technically james is more correct) and using that circuit alone there is not much you can do to add a control which boost or cuts mids. Now you could have a separate EQ that could do that ala Ampeg SVT or V4 which had a active mid range control using the tapped toroid but I doubt Orange would invest that much component real estate. Its most likely a FMV as Orange has generally abandoned using bax/james EQ if you check through their schematics for Post OR amps like The AD series, RV series, and TV series ect. Its fine if its an FMV, just does not reflect the actual OR circuit if thats the case

[FullCustom]

Let me google it for you...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=3%20band%20baxandall&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.42080656,d.dmQ&biw=1024&bih=671&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iw&ei=z5cVUYLSEdHW0gHb0YGIDQ

Three bands, two break frequencies. It's in some books that I own too.

[dunwichamps]

Ever see that in a commercial tube amp? Im just saying its extremely unlikely they will throw something like that in there. Plus that is an active baxandall not the passive james EQ Orange used. Im talking more about taking the passive james EQ and somehow adding a mid range control. I dont think anyone has shown a design for that. You could design a active 3 band baxandall in a tube amp but that is quite far from the passive james EQ.

[Mr. Foxen]

Let me google it for you...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=3%20band%20baxandall&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.42080656,d.dmQ&biw=1024&bih=671&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iw&ei=z5cVUYLSEdHW0gHb0YGIDQ

Three bands, two break frequencies. It's in some books that I own too.

Those results have opamps/ICs running them. Tube amp fail.

[everdrone]

I am definitely not an amp builder and am in the peanut gallery of musicians on many levels, but my two cents:

Orange sounds awesome! They mix retro sounds with modern rock. I dig the way it sounds on recordings such as Stone Sour, Down, Mastodon, Rival Sons, Led Zeppelin's recent reunion gig, local bands that use em, etc etc

I doubt the circuitry is so aweful that it is just gonna fail too. They are dependable enough for me anyway, maybe they won't last till armageddon, but only cocroaches will last that long along with Keith Richards, lets face it 

I doubt that many on this forum like any current production out of any of the popular mainstream amps these days:
Orange
Marshall
Peavey
Blackstar
Ampeg

its all rubbish!!    hah!

[Mr. Foxen]

Peavey stuff is made sensibly, I don't mind working on them, but don't get them so often. Rest are all nasty shite. It is possible to make things to last, its a choice to not do it. Not like Orange amps are cheaper than Peaveys, even here, but they are made in ways that are going to fail more easily and be harder to fix (aside from Peavey tend toward fiddlier circuits). Also there is exactly problems with Orange circuits causing them to fail, underspec caps in Bass Terrors blow their guts out. I've had a lot of amps with caps blowing their guts out, but generally, they've earned it over 30 or 40 years.

[FullCustom]

Wireless World 1952, Tube Driven Active Baxandall.
http://www.douglas-self.com/ampins/wwarchive/Baxandall%20tone-control%20Oct52%20p3.jpg

A modified Baxandall is still a Baxandall.

[Jake]

It's best not to get into a semantic disagreement with them.

[Mr. Foxen]

Regardless, Orange amps don't have them. Especially not ones with a mid control.