J O K E R

[Lumpy]

Accurate?

[mortlock]

i just saw it and i thought it was awesome. phoenix kills it as the joker. the only thing weird to me now is that the joker is way older than batman. i didnt expect that kind of timeline.

[Muffin Man]

Never really saw these flicks in general. Seems goofy.

[whoshotthefrog]

Finally saw this yesterday. Really liked it and it was extremely violent especially the scene when his clown buddies came over his apartment.


Arthur Fleck - "Knock-Knock"
Murray Freeman -  "Who's there"
Arthur Fleck - "It's the police, m'am! Your son's been hit by a drunk driver. He's dead."

[retardgroove]

The more I think about this movie, the more I don't like it.

[juan11]

Just saw it.  He's good in it, I mean he does dark and weird well in any role, but the movie is no Taxi Driver.

[Jor el]

   He was a Comedian.

   He was doing Comedy.

[Lumpy]

LOL

[Jor el]

   Thanks, Grumpy

[Josh]

Q: If I've seen The King of Comedy and Taxi Driver is there any reason for me to go see this?

A: Now that I've seen Joker, I can answer that it's worth seeing if you want to see a fawning homage to those films. 

[Dylan Thomas]

This is really accurate and poignant:

"Where to even begin with this one? It's an epically stupid movie. I guess that's where to end. Should I start with its bafflingly dangerous and irresponsible depiction of mental illness? I'm not talking about the discourse about whether or not the film could incite violence—I assume we'll touch on that later—I'm referring to the way it centers a narrative on a troubled loner who suffers from some sort of unspecified psychosis, whose acts of violence escalate as he stops taking his medication, his mental state deteriorates, and he seizes a narrative that the world has turned its back on him. When there's already such stigma and misrepresentation about mental illness, the implied correlation between his mental state, medication, and extreme violence is outrageous." - Kevin Fallon

[sleestak]

Meh, who cares?  It's about Batman's enemy and anyone who doesn't know that is a retard.

[Jor el]

   He was a Comedian

   He was doing Comedy

[Lumpy]

LOL

[renfield]

This is really accurate and poignant:

"Where to even begin with this one? It's an epically stupid movie. I guess that's where to end. Should I start with its bafflingly dangerous and irresponsible depiction of mental illness? I'm not talking about the discourse about whether or not the film could incite violence—I assume we'll touch on that later—I'm referring to the way it centers a narrative on a troubled loner who suffers from some sort of unspecified psychosis, whose acts of violence escalate as he stops taking his medication, his mental state deteriorates, and he seizes a narrative that the world has turned its back on him. When there's already such stigma and misrepresentation about mental illness, the implied correlation between his mental state, medication, and extreme violence is outrageous." - Kevin Fallon

If this is accurate about JOKER then it's accurate about A BEAUTIFUL MIND and basically every other movie that portrays mental illness I can think of. I think a fairer criticism would be something like "JOKER captures the general anxiety and increasing desperation of the lower class but by using mental illness in a general and unspecific way it inadvertently promotes certain stigmas that contradict the film's overall point and moral center, which is clearly on the side of the marginalized and downtrodden."

Clearly the film's heart is in the right place and the general argument that we should take care of the less fortunate among us is not something you would disagree with?

[Jor el]

   It is impossible for You People to enjoy things.

   Got it.

[renfield]

I liked JOKER quite a bit.

[Jor el]

   There was one unnecessary thing I would change.

[CanookieWookie]

It was a good movie. 

[CanookieWookie]

   There was one unnecessary thing I would change.

Which is?

[Jor el]

   [spoiler]No need for the flashback montage showing that he had no relationship with Sophie[/spoiler]

[renfield]

I agree with that

[CanookieWookie]

Personally I didn't mind that, but I do see your point.

[Dylan Thomas]

This is really accurate and poignant:

"Where to even begin with this one? It's an epically stupid movie. I guess that's where to end. Should I start with its bafflingly dangerous and irresponsible depiction of mental illness? I'm not talking about the discourse about whether or not the film could incite violence—I assume we'll touch on that later—I'm referring to the way it centers a narrative on a troubled loner who suffers from some sort of unspecified psychosis, whose acts of violence escalate as he stops taking his medication, his mental state deteriorates, and he seizes a narrative that the world has turned its back on him. When there's already such stigma and misrepresentation about mental illness, the implied correlation between his mental state, medication, and extreme violence is outrageous." - Kevin Fallon

If this is accurate about JOKER then it's accurate about A BEAUTIFUL MIND and basically every other movie that portrays mental illness I can think of. I think a fairer criticism would be something like "JOKER captures the general anxiety and increasing desperation of the lower class but by using mental illness in a general and unspecific way it inadvertently promotes certain stigmas that contradict the film's overall point and moral center, which is clearly on the side of the marginalized and downtrodden."

Clearly the film's heart is in the right place and the general argument that we should take care of the less fortunate among us is not something you would disagree with?

A Beautiful Mind is actually a lot worse on this count, specifically because it was getting off the heavy psych drugs and developing other ways to cope with his voices was what happened in real life.

In the movie, Nash says it was new developments in drugs that made the voices go away, which is blatantly erroneous and at odds with science itself. This is especially dangerous because it disguises itself as biography.

I believe if we are going to care about those who are less fortunate, then we shouldn't promote messages that are false and perpetuate dangerous stigmas about those who are less fortunate.

[sleestak]

In biopics of Batman supervillains.   Got it.