you guys who run single channel amps dirty

[justinhedrick]

how do you guys deal with running time based effects in front of your dirty amp?

i've been rethinking my tone lately and have thought about running my peavey VTM 60 dirty, and using an EQ pedal out front to knock down the gain as my "clean" channel. but i don't know what to do about my pedal board (flanger, trem, 2 delays). i could run it in the effects loop, but that is even more cable that my signal has to go through, and i've heard that the effects loop on the vtms kind of sucks.

thoughts?

[Discö Rice]

Try it out, see if you can tell the difference, pick the better sound.

[Discö Rice]

Also, try a micro amp if you're worried about signal loss. I doubt you're losing more than 10db, so I'm sure that'll fix it. If you are, build that pedal +/-20db volume pedal that Hemi said he wouldn't .

[justinhedrick]

Try it out, see if you can tell the difference, pick the better sound.

that's true. but now that i'm thinking about it, i have a fuzz pedal that i want to work into my gear, i don't think a fuzz would play well with a distorted amp, would it??

[spookstrickland]

My fuzz face always likes a slightly dirty amp.

Try it out, see if you can tell the difference, pick the better sound.

that's true. but now that i'm thinking about it, i have a fuzz pedal that i want to work into my gear, i don't think a fuzz would play well with a distorted amp, would it??

[justinhedrick]

thanks for your help everyone. i'm going to try the VTM on full bore, with the EQ to knock it down and go from there.

[Discö Rice]

Try it out, see if you can tell the difference, pick the better sound.

that's true. but now that i'm thinking about it, i have a fuzz pedal that i want to work into my gear, i don't think a fuzz would play well with a distorted amp, would it??

I actually love the sound of a shit ton of overdrive with a healthy dose of fuzz, bit it ain't for everyone.

[peyotepeddler]

i have always ran my delay's last, that being said, try it all around your chain and see how dirt effects it before and after

[justinhedrick]

i have always ran my delay's last, that being said, try it all around your chain and see how dirt effects it before and after

do you run it in front of a dirty amp though?

[peyotepeddler]

i have always ran my delay's last, that being said, try it all around your chain and see how dirt effects it before and after

do you run it in front of a dirty amp though?

yes, medium grind going on, i don't play through a high gain head by no means


i was alluding to moving a dirt box of some sort around in the chain, overlooked the lack of a dirt pedal in your chain

[mawso]

how do you guys deal with running time based effects in front of your dirty amp?

easy - i don't have any

[justinhedrick]

how do you guys deal with running time based effects in front of your dirty amp?

easy - i don't have any

ha! that's one way around it, i guess.

[justinhedrick]

i have always ran my delay's last, that being said, try it all around your chain and see how dirt effects it before and after

do you run it in front of a dirty amp though?

yes, medium grind going on, i don't play through a high gain head by no means


i was alluding to moving a dirt box of some sort around in the chain, overlooked the lack of a dirt pedal in your chain

oh, i have several dirt pedals: a rat, dano french toast, and dano fab fuzz (i don't use all 3 at once, mostly just the rat).

[LogicalFrank]

You know, back in the day when I ran some high-gain solid state Marshall nonsense, all my flanger and delays and everything sounded just great but that has never been the case running these same effects before my Rat which is what I currently use for dirt. That has always struck me as kind of strange.

[black_out]

I run od -> boost -> delay -> reverb -> Amp. Works fine.

[mawso]

how do you guys deal with running time based effects in front of your dirty amp?

easy - i don't have any

ha! that's one way around it, i guess.

yeah, i'm serious too.. if i had a use for a delay, and I wanted it to come through without sounding like a total mess, I'd use different amps.  Either something with an FX loop, or a clean channel, or I'd get my dirt from a pedal.  Or I'd run 2 amps and use a stereo delay. 

Chorus and reverb can work in front of a dirty amp, but it has a different sound.  chorus pedal into a dirty amp tends to sound pretty cheesy to me - it's that "Doug Aldrich in Whitesnake" tone - it cuts through like a mofo but it's very one dimensional, might work well as an occasional thing though.

[Volume]

I run my amp fairly clean, a bunch of dirt pedals -> chorus/flanger -> phaser -> delay -> amp. I'll probably add an reverb to the end of the chain when I get around to rearranging my board. There's an fx loop on my amp, but I can't be bothered with all the extra cords I'd have to use. Not using/having a fx loop has never been a problem for me.

[core9]

I've been having a similar problem using my delay in my chain.  If its before my fuzz, it kills the tone a bit(which is unacceptable), and if I put it after the fuzz, it is a total fuckin mess.  You can't even really hear delays....it might as well be a verb.