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Title: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Discö Rice on August 15, 2012, 01:50:57 PM
Pairs of 115 cabs also acceptable.

Shooting for under $600. Will most likely be powered by a GK400RB.

I noticed Acoustic B115's were going for like $130 apiece used. Anyone know about those?



Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: moose23 on August 15, 2012, 02:29:38 PM
Peavey is solid on a major budget, acoustic 360 sound great recorded but don't get too many this part of the world to be hearing them in person. Also check out Sunn stuff.

You could put together your own cab either.
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Mr. Foxen on August 15, 2012, 03:10:46 PM
Watch craigslist and equivalent for someone that wants a big pain in the ass object out of their way. Find one made or decent ply, score it, and figure if it can be made better with new speakers via WinISD.
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Hemisaurus on August 15, 2012, 03:56:05 PM
Here's 2 for the price of one, you can choose to use the horn, or just plug into the woofers.

http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/msg/3178922009.html (http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/msg/3178922009.html)

$200 for a Fender 2x15, seems dear to me, but mine came from a crackhouse, and had no speakers and was free.

http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/msg/3195821410.html (http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/msg/3195821410.html)

$400 and you get a very cool tube amp head as well

http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/msg/3193157526.html (http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/msg/3193157526.html)

Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Discö Rice on August 15, 2012, 04:15:24 PM
My bass player was eying that Bassman. I told her to just buy it. If it sucks I'm sure she can re-sell it for the same price. She seems a little wary of Kustom stuff (I think it's the tuck and roll) but that is a badass amp. Wish I had 400 bones so I could snap it up myself.
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Hemisaurus on August 15, 2012, 05:28:57 PM
They're not great for deep bass IMHO, they're pretty shallow cabs. Our old guitar player used one, with a Laney AOR 50 and it was loaded with a couple of 'Earth' drivers from somewhere else. Great sound for guitar.
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Lumpy on August 15, 2012, 05:40:55 PM
He's gotta compete with an Ampeg 8x10. Keep that in mind.

IMO, you probably want another 8x10. Maybe one that goes a little deeper than the Ampeg.
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Hemisaurus on August 15, 2012, 05:46:37 PM
If you want lower than an 8x10, 18" is the way to go. I have recently ridded myself of the last cab I had with 10's in it, and am very happy about it. PA cabs on bass are usually better than bass cabs on bass, for bass. 18" sub and a 2x15" ;D
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Lumpy on August 15, 2012, 05:55:10 PM
He has to keep up with a cranked Ampeg 8x10.

(Fixed it for me).

Now what do you say.

8x10 is 80 square inches of speaker surface, or whatever (Mongo is math dumb). What (bass cab) is going to match that 8x10. I think another 8x10, maybe a Mesa Boogie or another brand.
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Danny G on August 15, 2012, 06:01:08 PM
If you can find either, I'd recommend either a Dietz 2x15 cabinet with EV's, or an Ampeg Isovent cab (slant cab with 2x10's and 2x15's).


Both can be had for under $600 cause they are kind of obscure pieces of gear, but can also be hard to find.
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Lumpy on August 15, 2012, 06:02:30 PM
http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/msg/3198533609.html (http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/msg/3198533609.html)

I don't know about SWR

http://longisland.craigslist.org/msg/3170234377.html (http://longisland.craigslist.org/msg/3170234377.html)

Also, if I were you (Disco Rice), I would maybe put the louder amp on the bass cab, and the less loud amp on the mids cab. But I should probably stay out of this (space mates).
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Lumpy on August 15, 2012, 06:06:23 PM
Road trip:

http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/msg/3175089220.html (http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/msg/3175089220.html)

or

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/msg/3160646428.html (http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/msg/3160646428.html)
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: clockwork green on August 15, 2012, 06:11:52 PM
Man, I just picked up an older JBL cab with two new EV's for $300. The guy has two more EV's that I'm considering picking up as well.
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Hemisaurus on August 15, 2012, 06:14:58 PM
Quote from: Lumpy on August 15, 2012, 05:55:10 PM
He has to keep up with a cranked Ampeg 8x10.

(Fixed it for me).

Now what do you say.

8x10 is 80 square inches of speaker surface, or whatever (Mongo is math dumb). What (bass cab) is going to match that 8x10. I think another 8x10, maybe a Mesa Boogie or another brand.
You are thinking in 2D.

You have to realise that the speaker cone is conical, and also it's not just the amount of air moved, it's also how far it's moved, so the xmax (in/out distance) of the speaker comes into play.

Then of course there is the frequency range being reproduced as well.

Then you also have to factor in, I hate 10's ;)
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Discö Rice on August 15, 2012, 06:33:09 PM
Quote from: Lumpy on August 15, 2012, 05:40:55 PM
He's gotta compete with an Ampeg 8x10. Keep that in mind.

IMO, you probably want another 8x10. Maybe one that goes a little deeper than the Ampeg.
Haha alright I retracted the statement about the bassman. Had an 18. It worked very well for a while, but it took a big shit. She's not looking for a sub, just a different sound to augment her current rig, and yes, supplement her 8x10.
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Mr. Foxen on August 15, 2012, 06:35:03 PM
Quote from: Hemisaurus on August 15, 2012, 06:14:58 PM
Quote from: Lumpy on August 15, 2012, 05:55:10 PM
He has to keep up with a cranked Ampeg 8x10.

(Fixed it for me).

Now what do you say.

8x10 is 80 square inches of speaker surface, or whatever (Mongo is math dumb). What (bass cab) is going to match that 8x10. I think another 8x10, maybe a Mesa Boogie or another brand.
You are thinking in 2D.

You have to realise that the speaker cone is conical, and also it's not just the amount of air moved, it's also how far it's moved, so the xmax (in/out distance) of the speaker comes into play.

Then of course there is the frequency range being reproduced as well.

Then you also have to factor in, I hate 10's ;)

If you have a ported cab you get double out for the octave the port is acting in.
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Discö Rice on August 15, 2012, 07:31:51 PM
Honestly that swr megoliath might be just the thing. Might be able to handle the crazy spikes from her 700RB, too.
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Lumpy on August 15, 2012, 07:45:22 PM
I wonder if you can turn the horn off (tweeter).
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Discö Rice on August 15, 2012, 07:47:23 PM
Quote from: Lumpy on August 15, 2012, 07:45:22 PM
I wonder if you can turn the horn off (tweeter).
Ugh. I hope so.
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Lumpy on August 15, 2012, 07:56:48 PM
It's huge and heavy. Stairs will be a nightmare.

I guess there's a thing with 'new' SWR vs. 'old' SWR? I don't know anything about SWR, they weren't considered rock amps in the past (but an 8x10 clearly is meant for rock)
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Discö Rice on August 15, 2012, 08:05:23 PM
Well, SWR's website says that guy's purpose-built for rock. Looks like it also has a High Frequency Horn Attenuation control. Hopefully that means an off switch. Stairs are going to be a nightmare no matter what she buys. Admittedly 145 lbs. is extra nightmarish, but I can handle it (I think).

Specs:

http://www.swramps.com/products/search.php?partno=4410100010
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Lumpy on August 15, 2012, 09:38:16 PM
I'm not saying you should buy this exact cab, but that's my general premise -- look for an 8x10 that can take more watts and go lower than the Ampeg. Who else makes an 8x10?

My mama told me, you better shop around.
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Hemisaurus on August 15, 2012, 09:59:44 PM
Peavey, Behringer, Hartke, Basson, your local cab builder, off the top of my head.

Take more watts and go lower, probably just Basson, I think it does 4000W don't know the response, costs an arm and a leg though.

B810B 2,000W Bass Cabinet with 8x10 Speaker Specifications:
8x10" BS1075 drivers with 200oz. magnet
2000W RMS handling
105dB max
-130dB
4 ohms
28Hz-5kHz frequency response
26-1/4"W x 55"H x 18"D
228 lbs.
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Hemisaurus on August 15, 2012, 10:07:10 PM
Here's a deal, get in the van!

http://hartford.craigslist.org/msg/3191448392.html (http://hartford.craigslist.org/msg/3191448392.html)
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Hemisaurus on August 15, 2012, 10:10:15 PM
Oh and can you make a video of y'all trying to move a cab that's almost twice the weight of an Ampeg 810, that'll be a keeper ;D
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Lumpy on August 16, 2012, 12:02:05 AM
The vintage Ampegs are rated at 240 watts (30x8) and I think the 80s/90s ones are 400 watts (50x8). Probably most 8x10s will go lower and take more power.
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: zachoff on August 17, 2012, 05:05:34 PM
The three 2x15s I've had were all so different.  The 1980 Bassman cab sounded awesome but wasn't super deep and farted out easily.  Sounded better with guitar being played through it than it did withbass.  I picked up an empty Emperor 2x15 cab and put Eminence Deltas in it.  Didn't sound that awesome.  I picked up a 70s Traynor 2x15, added some batting, and put EV Forces in there.  It's the best sounding of the three and was the cheapest (cab was free, speakers were $100, and new hardware was $5).  Gets the deepest and sounds good distorted.  I haven't played the old Peavey or Acoustic 2x15s but I'd like to.  2x15s are fun, but I still prefer my 8x10.  Now if I could figure out how to run both and not blow everyone away.... Heh.
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Mr. Foxen on August 17, 2012, 05:40:53 PM
That is a lesson in speaker size having no relationship to sound.
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Hemisaurus on August 17, 2012, 05:56:02 PM
It's kind of like asking which engine is fastest. :-\
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: zachoff on August 17, 2012, 06:05:10 PM
Quote from: Mr. Foxen on August 17, 2012, 05:40:53 PM
That is a lesson in speaker size having no relationship to sound.

Oh, for sure.  I've also had 4 1x15 combos and they were all way different too.  Yorkville 400B could get crazy loud but didn't sound that great, Crate BX100 was junk, old Ampeg B115 sounds good and can get loud, and my old Univox sounds awesome but doesn't get loud at all.  Throw on top of that the amp you're using and it gets even nuttier.  Playing through my Earth after my SVT is like night and day through any cab.
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Hemisaurus on August 17, 2012, 07:09:53 PM
People talking about speaker size and frequency, like it's a defined relationship, always makes me think of this

(http://www.philjonespuresound.com/products/25/main.png)

16x5" goes down to 20Hz handles 1600W
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Discö Rice on August 17, 2012, 07:14:51 PM
Quote from: Hemisaurus on August 17, 2012, 07:09:53 PM
People talking about speaker size and frequency, like it's a defined relationship, always makes me think of this

(http://www.philjonespuresound.com/products/25/main.png)

16x5" goes down to 20Hz handles 1600W
Last time I looked, that cab was priced at $10K.
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: giantchris on August 20, 2012, 11:17:41 PM
I run a Sunn Beta Bass into an SWR Goliath Sr. and its pretty fucking loud.  Loud enough to completely drown the drummer out.  The Megagoliath is only going to be louder.  Honestly for $600 I'd go for a Goliath Sr. or try to find a Warwick 6x10 those are pretty nice.  I kinda feel that a 6x10 is loud enough and the ability to fit it into a smaller car is totally worth it.
Title: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Hemisaurus on August 21, 2012, 10:36:13 AM
Peavey 2x15 totally fits across the back seat of the 98-02 Corolla, you could probably stack two of 'em, never tried it. I have a 1x15" that lived in the trunk of the same car I used to leave it in there for practice. I'd imagine it's like a price / size /performance thing, you can get 2 of the 3. Explains why most of my cabs are too damn big :-\

So DR, what cab did you go with?
Title: Re: Re: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Discö Rice on August 22, 2012, 12:35:51 AM
Quote from: Hemisaurus on August 21, 2012, 10:36:13 AM
Peavey 2x15 totally fits across the back seat of the 98-02 Corolla, you could probably stack two of 'em, never tried it. I have a 1x15" that lived in the trunk of the same car I used to leave it in there for practice. I'd imagine it's like a price / size /performance thing, you can get 2 of the 3. Explains why most of my cabs are too damn big :-\

So DR, what cab did you go with?
Well, it isn't for me, it's for my band mate. She's got a line on a Mesa Road Ready 1x15 for a very good price.  She will be adding a second one when she can find it. At least that's the plan at this point.

Just curious - what do you'se guys think of 4x12 bass cabs?
Title: Re: Re: Re: Budget-minded 2x15 bass cab recommendations?
Post by: Mr. Foxen on August 22, 2012, 06:21:28 AM
Quote from: Discö Rice on August 22, 2012, 12:35:51 AM
Just curious - what do you'se guys think of 4x12 bass cabs?

Speaker size tells you pretty much nothing. I had an Aguilar GS412 and its the second best cab I've owned, but it lacked upper mids, which made it kind of undefined, took the edges off fuzz great though. Had a few guitar cab with bass speakers in jobs that totally sucked.