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Title: phasers?
Post by: justinhedrick on October 26, 2011, 11:52:26 PM
i've never had one. i think i want one. what kind do you folks have?

hemi, i have a small clone pedal (that is busted, go figure!) could you turn it into a small stone?
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: Hemisaurus on October 27, 2011, 12:02:12 AM
not easily if the schematics I have are correct, completely different methodology and chips.

(http://www.indyguitarist.com/schematics1/eh%20small%20clone.gif)
(http://www.montagar.com/~patj/smlstone.gif)

send it on, I can add it to the pile.
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: justinhedrick on October 27, 2011, 12:06:47 AM
hmm. i thought i read something about an easy mod. maybe it was to turn the chorus into a vibe. that must be it . . .
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: Hemisaurus on October 27, 2011, 12:17:24 AM
Long as the delay chip is OK.
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: fallen on October 27, 2011, 01:07:59 AM
I have a Small Stone but I always end up going back to my '80s Boss PS-1r. Run it at 12V and it's my favorite phaser for running before dirt pedals. Turn the resonance up high and it will sometimes start to osolate on high notes during it's sweep.

I've had it for a really long time so it's possible that my ears are tuned to it at this point.
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: Volume on October 27, 2011, 08:00:53 AM
I have a MXR Phase90 and a Red Witch Moon Phaser. The MXR is simple and great. The Red Witch is a lot more versatile, but it doesn't go slow enough for me and it looks like it just crapped out on me. :(
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: Hemisaurus on October 27, 2011, 08:34:58 AM
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?atclk=Type_Phaser&ci=14731&N=4225641373+4294957084 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?atclk=Type_Phaser&ci=14731&N=4225641373+4294957084)

C'mon 3 phasers all $24, small stone clone, MXR90 clone, and Boss PH-2 clone, no brainer. Don't spend shit-tons until your sure, I always seem to prefer slow flanging to phasing. Either that or maybe you should get a small multi-fx, or a digi-delay with modulation. My ancient Ibanez delay has control settings, for flanging, chorus and phasing on it.
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: Chovie D on October 27, 2011, 09:13:31 AM
nothing can phase me

I have:
Roland Phase 2
Maestro
Mutron 2
Phase 90
Phase 45
EVH phase 90
Ibanez soundtank
Danelectro
Smalltone (russian)

MY fave is Maestro, followed, by Mutron and Roland,..but those are harder to find vintage jammies.
Id start out with a phase 90 or a smallstone.

If you only got $20 you could get a behringer copy, or the little danelectro which is a phase 90 copy. not as good tho.
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: Corey Y on October 27, 2011, 12:09:14 PM
Phasers aren't aggressive enough for me, I use a disruptor (Type III). Stun settings are for the weak.


...or an EHX Nano Small Stone, if you want a serious answer.
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: justinhedrick on October 27, 2011, 12:39:48 PM
Quote from: Hemisaurus on October 27, 2011, 08:34:58 AM
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?atclk=Type_Phaser&ci=14731&N=4225641373+4294957084 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?atclk=Type_Phaser&ci=14731&N=4225641373+4294957084)

C'mon 3 phasers all $24, small stone clone, MXR90 clone, and Boss PH-2 clone, no brainer. Don't spend shit-tons until your sure, I always seem to prefer slow flanging to phasing. Either that or maybe you should get a small multi-fx, or a digi-delay with modulation. My ancient Ibanez delay has control settings, for flanging, chorus and phasing on it.

i already have a flanger. I like it. i just think that a phaser sounds more . . . gnarly?
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: Chovie D on October 27, 2011, 01:36:09 PM
wel you can use phasers for different things. van halens phase 90 acted like a boost...those old ones added a certain amount of grit and the phase is subtle engought to not be overbearing. phaser can be used for an almost leslie like swirl, or a psychey tremolo type sound, Beast of Burden for the stones, Diamond Sea by sonic youth, or Waylonjennings, or Tom Sawyer..all very different sounds, all phasers.

hmm.. you want a gnarly phaser? then the phase 90 isnt the one for you. its very subtle.and theres no control over the depth (gnarliness), only rate(speed). Boss, Ibanez, ross, I think those have more gnarl.
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: Cursed71 on October 27, 2011, 01:40:49 PM
Maxon reissue, I don't recall the model.  Blue box mxr size sounds like a phase 90.  Just started using it again and now I can't stop.
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: moose23 on October 27, 2011, 01:55:47 PM
I swear by my Phase90 with the R28 mod, have a Russian Small stone too and am building matching script 90s with depth pots for myself and the guitarist in the band. An oscillator into the small stone leads to great swooshing space sounds ala Hawkwind.
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: Hemisaurus on October 27, 2011, 02:02:29 PM
Quote from: Cursed71 on October 27, 2011, 01:40:49 PM
Maxon reissue, I don't recall the model.  Blue box mxr size sounds like a phase 90.  Just started using it again and now I can't stop.
Blue box is a square wave octaver (I think), I'm building something similar into my SS preamp.
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: moose23 on October 27, 2011, 02:31:20 PM
Quote from: Hemisaurus on October 27, 2011, 02:02:29 PM
Quote from: Cursed71 on October 27, 2011, 01:40:49 PM
Maxon reissue, I don't recall the model.  Blue box mxr size sounds like a phase 90.  Just started using it again and now I can't stop.
Blue box is a square wave octaver (I think), I'm building something similar into my SS preamp.

I think he meant the Maxon phaser that's in an blue MXR size enclosure..

Phase Tone PT999 I believe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R91tlT-QEKM

Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: Hemisaurus on October 27, 2011, 02:32:09 PM
Quote from: moose23 on October 27, 2011, 02:31:20 PM
Quote from: Hemisaurus on October 27, 2011, 02:02:29 PM
Quote from: Cursed71 on October 27, 2011, 01:40:49 PM
Maxon reissue, I don't recall the model.  Blue box mxr size sounds like a phase 90.  Just started using it again and now I can't stop.
Blue box is a square wave octaver (I think), I'm building something similar into my SS preamp.

I think he meant the Maxon phaser that's in an blue MXR size enclosure..

Phase Tone PT999 I believe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R91tlT-QEKM


Ta, for clearing that up :)
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: Danny G on October 27, 2011, 02:37:09 PM
Big fan of the Phase 90.


I've tried building Phase 90 and Phase 45 clones but unfortunately the store-bought just sounded better. I was bummed.

The R28 mod is good for a Phase 90, put a toggle switch on it. On for slower swishy phase, off for a higher rate and more univibe sound.
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: Hemisaurus on October 27, 2011, 02:48:01 PM
Funny, the clone comes with the mod fitted already ;D

(http://www.behringer.com/assets/PH9_P0522_Top_web.jpg)(http://www.mydukkan.com/media/mxr_m101.jpg)
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: Chovie D on October 27, 2011, 02:54:37 PM
Ive had a few phase 90's. The earlier ones sound much better to me. They have a gritty quality that the reissues/clones dont seem to, even witht the mod switches.


Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: moose23 on October 27, 2011, 02:55:10 PM
My clones will have the switch too. Suppose I should find some Orange paint or does anyone have different colour suggestions. Maybe sanded Aluminum or white with orange knobs?
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: Hemisaurus on October 27, 2011, 04:18:33 PM
Green? With the chunky MXR style knobs. Well depending how many knobs, if it's a single control a big 2" knob a la old radio's / Matamp / Orange / Green might be nice.
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: grimniggzy on October 27, 2011, 04:22:45 PM
I like the Phase 100. A few more options never hurt anyone, everyone's looking for something different.
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: Chovie D on October 27, 2011, 04:31:00 PM
Quote from: grimniggzy on October 27, 2011, 04:22:45 PM
I like the Phase 100. A few more options never hurt anyone, everyone's looking for something different.

i need to find and old one to complete my collection.
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: Hemisaurus on October 27, 2011, 04:39:04 PM
(http://en.audiofanzine.com/utilities/a.provider,m.202849,mod.media,th.normal,s.pictures.jpg)Everything but phase dangit.

Seriously though, if you see a cheap multifx rack or stomp, it's worth having just so you can audition effects you may or may not decide to buy in their 'real life' form. Musicgoround are chucking out used Behringer DSP2024P for $40 unfortunately they want another $25 for ship, maybe you have a friend in Kentucky will send it on to you.

(http://mgrinventory.s3.amazonaws.com/small/LpjG5mORf0mb2U-gpFWHAQ.jpg)

I've had mine maybe 12 years now, I bought it when I was still in Chicago, can't remember exactly. It was in my amp rig, and dragged around as a backup preamp, and I did have to use it one time when I thought my preamp had bit the dust, and it's fuzz pedal setting saved my ass as a preamp, but anyhoo, nice piece of kit, for cheap, for every kind of stupid FX you can think of (just one at a time though, unless you want like something+reverb or something+delay, it has combo settings for those).
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: moose23 on October 27, 2011, 04:44:30 PM
Quote from: Hemisaurus on October 27, 2011, 04:18:33 PM
Green? With the chunky MXR style knobs. Well depending how many knobs, if it's a single control a big 2" knob a la old radio's / Matamp / Orange / Green might be nice.

I have one of the big ones on my meathead clone kinda MXR style with the metal disc on top (that now has a switchable green ringer built in) but this is a two knobber. Orange and green is way to patriotic round here otherwise I'd agree but I'd say green knobs on an orange case.

Would like a Phase 100 at some point too if for no other reason than this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De4tqC2vQOU
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: Baltar on October 28, 2011, 12:37:38 PM
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/bren1973/Pedals/Phaser_4_1.jpg)
Tortuga Standard Issue
$299

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/bren1973/Pedals/enterprise.jpg)
VFE Enterprise
$160

If you're a Trekkie w/ $ to drop.
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: El Zombre on October 28, 2011, 01:05:20 PM
I have an MXR flanger that says you can get a phaser affect by turning the pitch modulation range (or something, forgot what the knob is properly called) down to zero and presto-changeo - you've got a phaser along with your flanger pedal.
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: Corey Y on October 28, 2011, 02:04:12 PM
Please someone make a Phaser that is permanently set at the maximum setting (possibly with a built in maxed out Fuzz/Dist/OD) called a Disruptor.

No stun setting, it just disintegrates.
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: justinhedrick on October 28, 2011, 02:07:16 PM
Quote from: Corey Y on October 28, 2011, 02:04:12 PM
Please someone make a Phaser that is permanently set at the maximum setting (possibly with a built in maxed out Fuzz/Dist/OD) called a Disruptor.

No stun setting, it just disintegrates.

no knobs either, right? just a switch? that would be crazy.

i wanted to do that same concept but it would be a maxed out wah pedal (no treadle or anything) with a switch, and just call it "destroy".
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: Chovie D on October 28, 2011, 02:41:21 PM
Quote from: Corey Y on October 28, 2011, 02:04:12 PM
Please someone make a Phaser that is permanently set at the maximum setting (possibly with a built in maxed out Fuzz/Dist/OD) called a Disruptor.

No stun setting, it just disintegrates.

behold the Guitar Disruptor. it is not a phaser tho...no idea what it is actually. it makes horrible random noises that sound like your amp is frying. kindo flike a buzzbox on steroids, it adds a low octave, fuzz and i think step oscillates or some shit. fucked up for sure. your signal does just disintegrate..but I can control it enough to make cool sounds. i own one and think its really cool, Lumpy doesnt like his as much as i do. i wil probably never get to use it on a recording, but its fun to fool around with.
(http://www.shred-ahead.com/WebRoot/StoreLNL/Shops/62677000/4E1C/BB1D/71F1/F360/2ADD/C0A8/2935/E876/EF103.JPG)
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: justinhedrick on October 28, 2011, 03:21:31 PM
anyone try the dano pedal? i remember trying one YEARS ago, like 1999 or so, and it sounded really distorted.
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: RAGER on October 28, 2011, 03:25:32 PM
Right now when I use one which is rarely  I use a Small Stone Nano.  I had a Phase 90 a while back but got rid of it now I want it back.  Thought about getting the EVH one too.  But what I really want is a Catalinbread Pareidolia. Somewhere between a phase and a tremolo
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: Chovie D on October 28, 2011, 03:35:08 PM
Quote from: justinhedrick on October 28, 2011, 03:21:31 PM
anyone try the dano pedal? i remember trying one YEARS ago, like 1999 or so, and it sounded really distorted.

if you mean the little blue one, the pepperoni,  I have one. Its a phase 90 clone. Its okay. The plastic switch, knob shaft and case make it not very road worthy...

whenever i see one of those little danos for 5-10$ I grab it. some are great. chicken slad vibe, tuna melt tremolo, french toast octave fuzz..those are the three best ones.
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: clockwork green on October 28, 2011, 04:33:10 PM
Phase is good but I like a good univibe much better.
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: Danny G on October 31, 2011, 11:56:38 AM
The Phase 100 sounds more like a Small Stone than a Phase 90
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: justinhedrick on October 31, 2011, 12:00:20 PM
now, what is the difference between a phaser and a flanger? i screwed around with a flanger that i have on friday night for a while and could KIND OF make it phaser-y, but not all the way.
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: johnny problem on October 31, 2011, 12:34:58 PM
Quote from: justinhedrick on October 31, 2011, 12:00:20 PM
now, what is the difference between a phaser and a flanger? i screwed around with a flanger that i have on friday night for a while and could KIND OF make it phaser-y, but not all the way.

From my understanding, phase, chorus, tremolo, and flange are all the same kind of modulation.  When I use my Phase 90, I can get some flange/tremolo type sounds and cranked gives me a vibe type sound.
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: Chovie D on October 31, 2011, 12:56:00 PM
google that shit.
its complicated.

actually, I googled it and still cannot explain it. ???

Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: justinhedrick on October 31, 2011, 01:31:26 PM
Quote from: Chovie D on October 31, 2011, 12:56:00 PM
google that shit.
its complicated.

actually, I googled it and still cannot explain it. ???



i'll do that. i know it has something to do with the phase relationship of the signal and . . . ugh . . .
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: Chovie D on October 31, 2011, 03:24:44 PM
plugged in my mutron phase2 yesterday and fell in love again.
Title: Re: phasers?
Post by: Hemisaurus on October 31, 2011, 04:02:13 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/516c5dAp6FL._SL500_AA300_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/Moen-Shaky-Jimi-Vibe/dp/B001I8ITQA)