I want to sound like somebody else referenced on this forum what gear would you recommend?
I see a lot of these posts, and I'm just curious what people would consider the stock, generic, gear setups to be a Riff Rock band, try not to mention any band names, just the gear ;D
Apologies in advance to Disco Rice, as I know he will complain drums is drums ;)
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Guitar w/ humbuckers, tube amp and one or more 4x12s.
What did I win?
Model T, OR120. Some pretty wood stained cab.
Big muff,or fuzz face type pedal.
Les Paul or sg
1 case of PBR tallboy cans
1 jar of Kali Mist
1 jar of Sour Diesel
1 bag of shrooms.
A beard
Mascara
Skin flute
Spit lube
Quote from: Hemisaurus on August 23, 2011, 03:34:34 PM
Apologies in advance to Disco Rice, as I know he will complain drums is drums ;)
Ha!
Big drums with thick shells and big cymbals that provide the necessary volume/sustain for slow, loud music. There are definitely brands that are better than others for heavy music, but mostly due to drum shell thickness (The thicker the better, if you're competing against a wall of super-amps) and roadworthy-ness.
flannel shirt over black t shirt with levis that look old, but aren't. oh, and boots. yeah, boots.
Sheesh, I think y'all got a center parting, as this just flew above your heads.
Think of it as a reference, where we each have laid out what we think is the ideal setup. It needn't be your own setup. Jake and rayinreverse were closest ray especially was specific.
So we got Muff pedal > Orange head > 4x12 cab w/ a Gibson
How about Boss DS-1 > JCM800 > 4x12 cab w/ a SG type?
how about strat, fuzz face, bassman?
seriously, does the gear matter? ;D
Quote from: RacerX on August 23, 2011, 04:57:42 PM
1 case of PBR tallboy cans
1 jar of Kali Mist
1 jar of Sour Diesel
1 bag of shrooms.
Can I be in your band???
Oh, that's right.
I am.
OK, Seriously?
SG or LP>Wah>Fuzz>Tube Amp>Mutiple 4x12's or......2x15's!!!!
Fender Bass>SVT>a Fridge or two
Big Fucking Drums, Big Fucking Cymbals, Big Fucking Sticks.
Quote from: justinhedrick on August 23, 2011, 06:57:02 PM
how about strat, fuzz face, bassman?
seriously, does the gear matter? ;D
Quote from: justJon on August 23, 2011, 07:10:40 PM
OK, Seriously?
SG or LP>Wah>Fuzz>Tube Amp>Mutiple 4x12's or......2x15's!!!!
Fender Bass>SVT>a Fridge or two
Big Fucking Drums, Big Fucking Cymbals, Big Fucking Sticks.
So if the gear doesn't matter, why do we have so many threads discussing gear? I figure we gather them all together in one place, like a set of prescriptions. Plus I was awaiting the above bass prescription, very predictable.
There needs to be a head-smack smilie ::)
Quote from: justJon on August 23, 2011, 07:10:40 PM
Fender Bass>SVT>a Fridge or two
Add in an overdrive (DOD 250) or a Superfuzz clone. Done.
Quote from: Hemisaurus on August 23, 2011, 07:19:58 PM
why do we have so many threads discussing gear?
Because we're nerds and thems what we likes!
Some cheaper bass prescriptions.
Dano FabOD > Ampeg SVT-350 (solid state) > Generic 4x10 w/ passive pickup Jap bass
Yamaha B100 > Peavey 2x15 w/ passive pickup Jap bass (no pedal needed)
This is probably the only time I'd recommend that POS Ampeg SS. w/ the Dano OD it actually sounds OK.
Quote from: Hemisaurus on August 23, 2011, 07:19:58 PM
So if the gear doesn't matter, why do we have so many threads discussing gear? I figure we gather them all together in one place, like a set of prescriptions. Plus I was awaiting the above bass prescription, very predictable.
There needs to be a head-smack smilie ::)
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Quote from: bitter end on August 23, 2011, 07:26:47 PM
Quote from: Hemisaurus on August 23, 2011, 07:19:58 PM
why do we have so many threads discussing gear?
Because we're nerds and thems what we likes!
So why object to a thread discussing the whole ball of wax?
It's like discussing engine, carb, manifold, transmission and axle combo's. Some work better together than others.
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I think we can all agree on loud amps, loud drums. You did say not to mention brand names, and then everybody started to mention brands, model numbers, etc.
I don't think there is an ideal setup. I mean, I'll take a '66 Jaguar tuned to D standard into a Super Fuzz, a DD5, and a half dozen Quad Reverbs, but that isn't going to work for Sunn O))) (the moderator or the band). What a weird thing to try to homogenize...
Ummm, Disco?
"...try not to mention any band names...."
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I just don't get the point of this thread. There are a million different things being used out there by the bands that fit "riff rock" which itself is rather vague. Of course there are things that are more common than others partly because of how easy it is to get them, partly because of those that have used them and partly because of things like cost or even fashion. I could understand this thread more if there were lots of new people on here asking how to get "that riff rock sound" but it's just the same old grumpy old men (and one woman) in here. It would almost be easier to list gear that probably shouldn't be used since it would be a smaller list.
do that then.
but really, none of you can come up with a simple gear combination that sounds good, one you think is the epitome of the genre? Like I said, it seems ridiculous to keep discussing one part of a chain, when it's only a tiny part of the whole. I mean if we wanted to get really finicky, we could add in playing style, gauge of pick, where you pick, etc. etc. but that would be taking it way far, but discussing a pedal, without mentioning the amp and guitar or a bass amp without mentioning the pedals and cabs, is pointless, or at least very difficult to reference.
Quote from: Discö Rice on August 23, 2011, 08:06:53 PM
I think we can all agree on loud amps, loud drums. You did say not to mention brand names, and then everybody started to mention brands, model numbers, etc.
I don't think there is an ideal setup. I mean, I'll take a '66 Jaguar tuned to D standard into a Super Fuzz, a DD5, and a half dozen Quad Reverbs, but that isn't going to work for Sunn O))) (the moderator or the band). What a weird thing to try to homogenize...
It's a list of parts that work together, so there's one.
It's like you can't fit a Hemi into a Fiero, well not without taking out the firewall, and that's a whole different discussion, but you can shoehorn in a SBC. Which is better in a Ranchero, a Windsor or a Cleveland?
Or like Clockwork Green says, maybe we should list what
doesn't work together.
Either way, I thought we'd have some cool lists, but maybe not.
- Tall can of PBR
- Mexican brick weed
- Metal (lamp parts) pipe
- Gibson SG (or knock off) w/13 guage strings tuned to drop C or lower.
- EH Bigmuff, Dunlop Wah. Boss TU-2 tuner
- Single channel 100W tube amp.
- Two mismatched 4x12 speaker cabs.
-Beat to fuck 90's Marshall 4x12 with a stencil of some band you never heard of.
-Orange or Matamp 4x12
Just returned from the garage in which I was playing the following (at near criminal volume levels):
• Ovation Ultra GP – a friend of mine's on loan: Tuned to drop C
Signal split into:
• Sunn Model T Reissue – dry signal
• Powering: Marshall 4x12 (long ago stenciled with "Hollowbodies") + Orange 2x12
• Marshall JCM 800 – Way Huge Swollen Pickle in front
• Powering: Orange 4x12
That may be Mr. Predictable Riffrocker setup to a tee, but dang, it sounded mean. Like...really, really mean.
There are so many variables that hard, fast, rules that work all of the time are rare and few. X might sound great with Y and Y sounds great with Z but A and Z might sound awful together. So recommending something is always dependent on so many thing and changing any one of them might radically change the overall sound. I don't always expect the laundry list when someone recommends something but I personally try and run a piece of gear through a few different things when I bring it up. This is always why we have a rigs thread to see the whole package.
Jake gets it, you don't, that's cool.
The drug prescriptions are more interesting, IMO.
Take enough drugs, and all the gear sounds the same.
Quote from: Hemisaurus on August 23, 2011, 10:41:05 PM
Jake gets it, you don't, that's cool.
I hope you're not patronizing me. Strange as it might sound, I don't really feel as though I subscribe to the stereotype. Even still, at least I've got a sense of humor about it.
No, you just went with it, why not whats so offensive about saying X,Y and Z sound good together.
For guitar:
Guild SG > DOD 250 > Fender 85W Solid State combo
Dual Humbucker Strat type > Crate G130CXL > beat to shit Crate 4x12
NB the Crate can sound good on bass too with a different cab, say a 2x15
Quote from: RacerX on August 23, 2011, 10:43:25 PM
The drug prescriptions are more interesting, IMO.
Take enough drugs, and all the gear sounds the same.
Unfortunately I can only applaud you once an hour.
Stoner Uke prescription.
Vapor Bros knock off
1/4 Oz of Blue Dream
Dirt cheap tenor ukulele w a low G.
Piezo pick-up made from a re-purposed dollar store greeting card.
Boss FZ-2
Califone public school turntable w/built in "PA"
oops, i keep forgetting the OP's insurance only covers generics.
Quote from: Hemisaurus on August 23, 2011, 09:01:19 PM
but really, none of you can come up with a simple gear combination that sounds good, one you think is the epitome of the genre?
kinda gratuitous really, there's quite a lot of ways to get there
as cool and useful as it is to have a grasp of what people have used and what is gonna sound like what, once you start focusing on "one ideal rig" it becomes a fetish really. i mean, they're just objects. often the stuff we really like is the stuff that influential players have used.. and they themselves are often happy to use all manner of other bits of gear. often without sounding perceptibly different.
We can go with my setup:
Peavey T-60 - Spaceship pedalboard that I only use the distortion pedal on - JCM800 - Musicman 4x12
Kramer Stagemaster Impedal Aluminum necked bass - Boss DF2 - English Muff'n for a preamp on a Sunn Beta lead - Fender showman 2x15
RIFFROCKMASTERSETUP:
Ovation Ultra GP - Dirty fuzz - Ampeg V4 - 4x12s - shitty attitude
Things that don't mesh with RIFFROCK:
Engl
Dual Rectos
VHT Pitbull lead channel
5150 Red Channel
Metalzones
Metal core pedal
BUDGET EQUIPMENT IS RIFFROCK
Sunn Model T's weren't always 1500 dollars, yknow?
So how exactly is this different from the "here's my list of shit" threads unless you're assuming that people own a bunch of shitty sounding gear they don't like or are solely in jazz-fusion bands and come here solely for the insight of using a bass cab for guitar or how to match speaker impedances?
I'll tell you the recipe that I used that got the most compliments.
Fender HRR Strat into a Creepy Fingers Fuzz Face into a Marshall MG100 into a Fender Roc Pro 4x12 Cab.
I will stab you Herb.
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Line 6 Exxxtreem
Hurtlocker 4x12 Beatdown Series cabz
Ibanez 9-String Hangman loaded with Poison Ear-Spear pickups, Jagermeister tuners and barbed-wire inlays
Walk on home, boy!!
Quote from: Metal and Beer on August 24, 2011, 04:05:28 AM
Line 6 Exxxtreem
Hurtlocker 4x12 Beatdown Series cabz
Ibanez 9-String Hangman loaded with Poison Ear-Spear pickups, Jagermeister tuners and barbed-wire inlays
Walk on home, boy!!
/end thread
Heres how to get my sound on a budget for all those little wannabe zigs out there.
Squier P>QTron>Rat II>SS Sunn>2X15 & you're 99% there. For guitar just use a Strat instead.
Smoke a lot of shitty mids and throw some hallucinogens in to spice things up every once in a while.
Quote from: clockwork green on August 24, 2011, 12:56:06 AM
So how exactly is this different from the "here's my list of shit" threads unless you're assuming that people own a bunch of shitty sounding gear they don't like or are solely in jazz-fusion bands and come here solely for the insight of using a bass cab for guitar or how to match speaker impedances?
Because, like Sunn and his spaceship pedalboard, we may have gear we don't actually use, or that we only use for one particular song or situation. Or you may have heard a good chain of gear, from someone who isn't famous and isn't on guitar geek. I haven't listed my own setup, because I don't think it's useable outside my own situation, though I have listed setups I've used in the past, and of people I have played with. Nor did I list all my gear, because I rarely use it all at once.
I honestly wanted a list of stuff that sounds good together, and if we'd done it honestly, we might see some commonality like 16 people use pedal X, with all different kinds of guitars and amps, maybe I should look at getting a pedal X. Or amp Y seems to sound good on it's own or with pedals.
Show of your rigs is more a
look at what I got rather than a
here's a simple setup that sounds good
here's one:
epiphone les paul, russian black box big muff, fender twin with additional 2x12 cabinet underneath. the singer/guitar player in my old band used that setup for years. it sounded so right. he never had to fiddle with anything to get a good sound. i was always over in the corner trying to adjust my EQ and my finnickey mid knob.
but really herb, my tone always sounds "right" when it is my beat to shit strat copy with a dimarzio chopper pickup (blade style single coil sized humbucker), into a vintage rat pedal, into an eq, into a 6L6 amp with a HINT of break-up to it. bam.
any (semi) decent guitar (going from squiers to high-end epi's to fenders/gibsons) - tuner - 2nd hand bass combo, anything higher than 50W. push the volume of the amp, let those mids come in and let it rip.
Quote from: MichaelZodiac on August 24, 2011, 09:41:54 AM
any (semi) decent guitar (going from squiers to high-end epi's to fenders/gibsons) - tuner - 2nd hand bass combo, anything higher than 50W. push the volume of the amp, let those mids come in and let it rip.
yep, i was laying in bed thinking about this last night, and it seems like MOST peavey bass heads sound really decent, especially with a dirt pedal in front of it for some extra hair.
I've tried it with a NYC Muff, a DS-1 and just no dirt pedal... I actually liked it the most without dirt pedal, dialing in on the amp got the best sound imo.
Alright. As far as drums are concerned, there are some poor choices to be made. Namely, wooden drums with thin shells. Drums that produce long sustaining notes with mitigated, if not drastically reduced attack have no place in this kind of music and all those amps are here to tell you so. You will get buried.
Drum Workshop is the main offender. Thanks to clever marketing (appealing to hobbyist, well-to-do collectors by paying unscrupulous pros to coo over them publicly) they made this type of shell construction popular in the late 80's, and respectable drum manufacturers (shame on you, Tama) followed suit. Until then, and into the early 90's, Tama made the Artstar, Artstar II, Granstar, and Rockstar series with volume and cut in mind. Resonance was kind of an afterthought with it generally being understood that good materials, proper head choice and tuning would give you all the resonance you'd need. Thick shells, fairly sharp bearing edges, fairly large sizes, and the hardware to hold these goliaths up on the road made Tama drums the best thing a serious touring drummer could buy (nevermind that the hardware took six men to lift/erect) up until the beginning of the "less is more" scam.
Which is not to say DW got everything wrong. Their hardware designs have drastically reduced the weight and increased the strength and versatility of tripod-style stands, and their pedals have always been top notch (if a little sluggish, but they pack a wallop).
Of the big manufacturers, Tama and Yamaha, even though their shells are thinner than they used to be, have stayed the truest to the monstrous sounding drums of the 80's, and because they were so popular then, there are a lot of pre-'92 kits out there for purchase. While I don't necessarily think vintage drums are the best idea due to warping, bearing edge issues, price, and the beating drums tend to take from drummers on the road night after night, drums from the 80's are still a viable option. Cheap, loud, and rock solid - what more can you ask for?
As far as sizes go, despite my love for huge drums, it should be mentioned that small drums cut through layers of supercharged guitars very well due to their higher pitch and the amount of wood that's used proportionately in comparison to an extremely large drum. You get less stick/beater rebound with a wide/deep drum than you do with a narrow/shallow drum, so it takes substantially more physical effort to play a big drum, but you move more air, produce stronger, lower fundamental tones and look cool doing it. ;) When you can focus your energy on speed rather than the power it takes to muscle through things on big drums, it's much easier to blaze through long or constant rolls on the toms or kick drum(s). Personally I tend to play a lot of snare-driven fills (the smallest, loudest drum on my kit by far) if I'm playing fast because my toms are ridiculously hard to roll on, and it drains my stamina greatly to do so over and over. A good illustration of the difference shell sizes can make in your playing/sound would be pre-Coady Willis Dale Crover vs. Brann Dailor.
Cymbals - brands don't matter so much here, but types and weights do.
Crashes - THIS is where you want your sustain. Loud, slow music REQUIRES gigantic, heavy crashes. I use two 24" rides that are near identical in voicing/EQ, but slightly different in pitch. Make sure your crashes sound good together. While it doesn't necessarily matter what brand you choose, keeping within the same brand and series with your crashes (take Paiste's 2002 series, for instance) will help give your drums a more unified sound.
Rides - If you plan on crashing with your ride, it helps to follow suit here. I use a fairly small (20"), dry ride, because I tend to play fast a lot, and I get enough wash from my giant crashes that I don't need or want ANY from my ride. A loud, defined PING PING PING on the body and an ear-eplitting PANG! PANG! PANG! from the bell is all I require. Lately, however, because I do a lot of "crash riding", I've been thinking of picking up a more washy ride. I think I'm developing some repetitive motion problems in my shoulder from constantly reaching over my head to ride my crashes.
Hi-Hats - Big and heavy. I used to have a set of 14" hats that was so loud it was physically painful to play them without earplugs, but lately I've been looking into much larger sets (16"+) just for a different sound.
Chinas - I like 'em big, your mileage may vary. I'm also very loyal to one specific brand (Wuhan - best sound, best price) for these, although I would love to add a 20" Paiste Rude Novo China to my rig.
Okay I'm done for now.