So I was curious - If I had an SVT-4 Pro, could I run a guitar preamp through that thing's 1200 watt power section and play a guitar through it? If so, would it sound good?
Also, I know Verellen, Fender, and Orange make amps that are designed for both. If you know of another, please post it here.
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Where would you connect the preamp? Power in?
It's already got a preamp.
You should try it, as-is (if possible) - it might need some EQ help. Any tonal adjustments you need to make, you can make using pedals. Don't blow your speakers!
QuoteWhere would you connect the preamp? Power in?
Good guess... The manual is almost certainly available online. That might tell you.
I know it has a preamp, I was just thinking for the sake of voicing a guitar preamp might be necessary. The speakers would be an issue for sure. I see outputs for up to four cabs, but even if that split it 300 per cab, I can't think of many that could handle that much juice.
Actually that might be a good use for my Daddy-O - boost and EQ.
I think you could be okay with that amp - easier to remove 'too much' bass, than to add it if it's not there. Will it be capable of 'sweet vintage toanz'... probably not. It will probably sound pretty burly though.
I've seen James Plotkin play guitar through an Ampeg hybrid head (B2 maybe?) and an 8x10. It sounded thick. (Just him and a drummer, so you could really hear the tone).
(stupid spelling...)
I know this guy plays through an 8x10 and a SS bass amp. sounds gnarly.
If you play a Big Muff you can't go wrong with just about any bass amp. I run mine through a old peavey markIII and it's huge! Not for everyone but for some it's Tits!
Not sure about an SVT, but my Fender Bassman 135 and Earth Super Bass both sound good with guitar. I don't have the Fender anymore, but Rowdy used my Earth at practice the other night and it worked pretty well.
oh man, this was bound to pop up ha ha
been playing geetar through a svt for around 14 years now, no issues what so ever, plenty of headroom on tap for lower tunings, eq section is great for mids of all flavors, thank you switchable mids \m/
you have a point with the wattage of that amp, looks like you could go 300x2 8ohm mono, with the appropriate cabs, but its also ss so you won't be going for tube saturation, so stay mindful of the volume knob ha ha, and school yourself on what frequency(ies) the bass knob controls, for instance my svt boost at 45hz, so i have it turned counter clockwise all the way, screw that:)
Quote from: peyotepeddler on February 09, 2011, 11:31:38 PM
oh man, this was bound to pop up ha ha
been playing geetar through a svt for around 14 years now, no issues what so ever, plenty of headroom on tap for lower tunings, eq section is great for mids of all flavors, thank you switchable mids \m/
you have a point with the wattage of that amp, looks like you could go 300x2 8ohm mono, with the appropriate cabs, but its also ss so you won't be going for tube saturation, so stay mindful of the volume knob ha ha, and school yourself on what frequency(ies) the bass knob controls, for instance my svt boost at 45hz, so i have it turned counter clockwise all the way, screw that:)
So which amp are you using specifically, and which cabs? It's kinda sounding like I should just get a Bass VI and run this amp through an 8x10 (and maybe an 18). Heh.
i've got a svt classic, 300 watts courtesy of 6 6550's
played through one boogie traditional(not the over sized rectifier version)4x12 with v30's
i was on a mission to get a 2x15 to compliment it, but i love the sound i have so much with the cab when the time comes i'll just get another one
i wouldn't think you'd have any problem running a pre-amp into this: wouldn't it just be like running a pre amp into a dedicated solid state power amp? unless i'm missing something?
i saw a clip of a band where the guitar player talks about his rig and it is was a travis bean guitar into a wah pedal set all the way open into a bass head (solid state) into 2 cab: one was the horn cabinet that peavey sold in the 70s with like 16 tweeters in it, the other was just a 4x12. the sound was pretty insane. anyone know what i'm talking about?
Quote from: Discö Rice on February 09, 2011, 07:00:31 PM
I know this guy plays through an 8x10 and a SS bass amp. sounds gnarly.
0:46 - I see a plexi.
That can't be what he's running through that 8x10.
Naw, it's on top of a 4x12. Most likely a stereo rig. Looked like a rack set atop the 8x10. Not dissing the band but what is stopping the singer from nutting up and putting down a fuggin' bass line?
Guitar player does have a stereo rig, based on what I saw (live show maybe about 4-5 years ago?)
Quote from: blackkrosses on February 10, 2011, 04:41:20 PM
Quote from: Discö Rice on February 09, 2011, 07:00:31 PM
I know this guy plays through an 8x10 and a SS bass amp. sounds gnarly.
0:46 - I see a plexi.
forgot to mention that earlier, i saw the half stack also, i was thinking he sent that signal to the bass rig
I don't think the plexi has the kind of power needed to push that 8x10. It'd have to be a stereo rig.
Oh, it does... I push an 8x10 with a beta lead, I've also pushed one with my JCM800. Sounds like god on earth. It just isn't SUPER loud.
yeah, a 100w tube head has plenty of guts to push an 8x10. I've done it with my v4 plenty of times and it sounds like thunder. Agreed that it isn't super loud, but it is loud.
I used a Crate Stealth to push a 9x10 many many moons ago! Its sounded great btw and was plenty loud for all of our gigs at the time.
I stand corrected.
I'm surprised more people aren't doing this (using bass heads)... the V4 is obviously popular (popular? people are playing guitar through it). So why not a Traynor YBA, Peavey VB-2 (both have over 200 watts and can be found for 500 dollars used) or older amps like a Fender Bassman 100 or 135 (clean but you're adding fuzz anyway, right?). More power and less expensive than guitar amps. I have an Earth Super Bass (B2000) which I use, it needs some midrange boosting, but sounds thick.
Who's going to be the first one to blow eardrums playing guitar through a Peavey VB2 or Traynor YBA?
vb-2 900 brand new. used is the way to go.
I hate this thread and I hope it's made a sticky so we don't see it pop up every other week. It's not that I hate the idea of people playing guitar through unorthodox amps and such but it just sucks repeating yourself over and over. As much as I try to ignore it, I can't when certain important aspects are left out.
1. Modern vs. vintage voiced bass amps makes a huge difference. Vintage voiced bass amps were often exactly or damn near exactly the same thing as guitar amps but maybe slightly darker or with more output like a 45 watt tweed Bassman vs. a 15-watt tweed Deluxe of the same era. Modern bass amps are voiced radically different. Many are made to go with amps that have tweeters and the low end frequency response is way off the charts compared to new amps. The biggest issue is that the mid's are in a totally different place for a bass amp so distortion often sounds really odd with modern bass amps and speakers.
2.Amps vs. speakers. A bass amp through a guitar cab often sounds better than a guitar amp through bass speakers because modern (again, depends on modern vs. vintage) bass cabs are made for super deep lows and radically different mids than guitar speakers and if the cab has a tweeter it will sound horrible which might be cool if your in a noise band band not so cool for classic riff rock.
3. 15" guitar speakers. Contrary to popular opinion this will not give you tons of deep lows. 15's will typically have slightly extended low's but they often have extended more open sounding highs as well. The major difference between most 12's and most 15's are the midrange frequencies. 12's tend to be tighter (10's even more than many 12's) and crunchier sounding because they're midrange focused speakers and the guitar is a midrange instrument. 15's sound more open and clear...think of them like a sonic hug for your 12's. I often play with a 4x12 and a 2x15 but the 4x12 sounds much fatter than the 2x15 but together it's a nice full sound with punch and clarity not mega monster low's
4. It's a guitar not a bass. No amp will give you frequencies your instrument just doesn't have. Even if you're tuned down to Z-minor you're often not going to get the low's of a bass and you're just better off (in my opinion) in not trying. Pay attention to records where the guitar plays a riff without the bass player and they they play it together...the guitar player often gets way too much credit. If you want better lowend tone on a record...make sure your bass player has great tone first.
Personally I don't like bass cabs or modern bass amps with guitar and I can only really see them in a rig that already has a more traditional guitar rig. I can't say that I've ever heard it work well live either. It sometimes sounds cool when you're playing buy yourself but mix in a band and that sweet palm-muted sound you've got suddenly disappears without the mids to push it through no matter how much power you've got. I don't want to piss on anyones experimental parade and I hope people keep trying new things because many of the great sounds we've gotten as guitar players came from unconventional thinking even after many others said it was wrong.
I'm in it more for the power section than the ultra lows, which is kinda why I mentioned the guitar preamp. It seems like your gain channel wouldn't be anywhere near as dirty as you might need for a guitar, even with a vintage voiced amp.
...and I agree that this thread should be sticky.
I agree with everything Clockwork Green said (including the parts that went over my head, LOL) but to clarify (and agree with Disco Rice) in my opinion it's about getting a lot of tube watts, relatively inexpensively... not about super deep lows. If you want super deep lows, play the bass. I prefer it when guitar players sound like guitar players (not bassists) and when bassists sound like bassists (not guitar players). Know your role...
i can get behind most of that you said clock
i would like to add that voicing is always a factor with any amp, be it guitar, bass, or any thing out there
its all about what turns you on and gets you inspired, what gets those creative juices flowing
but, i could care less what a instrument(it could be wind, percussion, brass, stringed) is tuned to
but i have my preferences, i dig my guitar tuned down to c standard, but like my bass tuned to a440(i blame old reggae/dub)