Last band? Sure, makes sense. Otherwise, do you not have a phone in your pocket with which to check the time? Do you not know how long your set was supposed to be or what time you were supposed to be done?
sounds like someone over stayed their welcome..happens all the time.
that question always seems like the person asking it is fishing for some kind of 'OMG i don't even care who's next you guys are so good keep playing KEEP PLAYING' response. and rarely deserve it.
What they are really asking is "mind if we play one more "
It's a rare thing to actually have a band play a short to "just right" set. Seems like most bands will drag sets on so long that the show can flip from a net positive to a negative.
It may be fun for them to be up there playing, but leaving the crowd wanting more (as opposed to dreading more) is a real virtue.
My band plays tonight- the last of four, as it's our record release show. We'll be lucky to do 35 minutes, and that includes a break to defibrillate the drummer. "play one more!"? Fuck that, I'm tired man
I HATE to play more than 30 minutes. I just don't feel it is necessary unless you are some "known" band and people are expecting more. I never feel comfortable being up there for too long, when you know that a good chunk of the crowd is just seeing you for the 1st time. You definitely don't want to overstay your welcome.
I agree......always leave them wanting more. Better than boring the shit out of people and turning them off to what you are trying to accomplish.
There's a thing in the Village Voice this week -- "Things That Piss Off The Soundguy". It says "do we have time for one more?" is an attempt to override the schedule by getting the audience involved.
Quote from: Lumpy on March 01, 2013, 12:35:34 PM
There's a thing in the Village Voice this week -- "Things That Piss Off The Soundguy". It says "do we have time for one more?" is an attempt to override the schedule by getting the audience involved.
I tend to agree with that assessment. The version of that move I've heard most often, which I think is way worse/stupid, is "how many more songs do we have time for?".
I'm a fan of the 25-30 minute set.
Yup. There have been very few (maybe no?) local bands that have ever finished a set before I wanted them to.
I saw a show recently that if the band would have played 30min or less, they would have been gods. Instead, they played for over an hour and it totally exhausted any momentum they would have had otherwise.
Quote from: Jake on March 01, 2013, 01:43:50 PM
Yup. There have been very few (maybe no?) local bands that have ever finished a set before I wanted them to.
I saw a show recently that if the band would have played 30min or less, they would have been gods. Instead, they played for over an hour and it totally exhausted any momentum they would have had otherwise.
Yeah, lordfinesse is really a stickler for that. Nate and I always want to play more, but you're right, it works out for the best. We get told, that it seems like we were just getting started all the time.
Well that there is another reason why I'm gay for your band.
that may be one of the best things about noise/power electronic bands. 15 minutes is considered a full set..
Usually my old bands would work out a 30 minute set and end up playing it in 25 minutes because of High Energy those were the best gigs. 40 minutes and even I'm too tired to enjoy myself.
I personally don't care if other bands run long. Nobody gives that much of a fuck for all but a few select bands in this scene. It's not like crowds have ever demanded my brand of marginal entertainment.
i dont care if bands run long just as long as theyre not playing before the band i want to see..
Well isn't more a question to the sound guy to stretch the gig time a bit more than not keeping track themselves?
If the band is rocking then it's fine by me.
I prefer to play around 45 min shows (8-9 songs). Then you can play around with the setlists a bit more and the dynamics.
30 minutes is way to short imo, but sometimes that's all you get though. That's normaly just 6 songs which is a bit to few. Those extra 10 -15 minutes does it all lol...
I dont wear a watch, i dont have a cell phone and even if I did I wouldnt pull it out on stage to check the time. usually after 3 songs im tired and want my bong...Ive probably asked how much time we've had hoping it was over. I dont think its that heinous a crime. It never bothered me during the brief period I did sound...probably becuase:
When i did sound I would tell the opening band how much time they had and I told em before they went on, "I will let you know when you have one more song"...and I would if i felt they were gonna go over thier alloted time. You dont have to pull out a big hook or anything, just tell em gently over the stage monitors. MOst, almost all , bands mopily comply. Once I told this band(kids) "one more"...they played one more, then tried to launch into another...so i cut the stage power.
What I hated as a performer and a member of an audience was when a band would over stay their welcome and the soundguy would just let em go on and on and on. I saw an opening band do an hour and half set....at first people were into them, but after an hour they started getting grumpy and by the end they were getting heckled.
Play for 30 minutes if you want, play for 40 minutes if you want...
Just don't turn a 25-30 minute set into a 45 minute set by rambling on and/or telling lame jokes between songs. If you want to be a comedian or if you want to do spoken word poetry fuck off to some other venue where I don't have to see it.
A tiny bit of "this song is called" or "this is our last song, check out our merch table" or "1 - 2 - 3 - 4" is fine but that's about it.
Many good points have been made here.
I think it's more of a problem at smaller venues with small vocals only PAs where one of the bartenders is the unofficial soundguy and is too busy serving drinks to come out and tell the band "no, you're already 5 minutes over your alloted time and there are still 3 more bands to go". That's when bands need to be watching the clock themselves so the last band gets more than 15 minutes.
Shorter is better for multi-band bills.
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Playing heavier stuff, I like the 30 minute set. I really don't get how cover bands do it filling a whole night. I was looking at joining one of those bands. I dreaded learning half the set and figured maybe that wasn't for me.
30 mins. or less, unless you're Neurosis.
"do we have time for one more?" doesn't piss me off nearly as badly as "we're gonna wait for some more people to show up."
Fuck you, bill says doors @ 7 / show's @ 9, start the fucking show already! >:(
Quote from: fallen on March 02, 2013, 03:02:44 PM
Play for 30 minutes if you want, play for 40 minutes if you want...
Just don't turn a 25-30 minute set into a 45 minute set by rambling on and/or telling lame jokes between songs. If you want to be a comedian or if you want to do spoken word poetry fuck off to some other venue where I don't have to see it.
A tiny bit of "this song is called" or "this is our last song, check out our merch table" or "1 - 2 - 3 - 4" is fine but that's about it.
unless youre a hardcore band. then, please by all means, blather on and on and on about the scene and the brotherhood and the cattle slaughter ad naseum!
Quote from: I,Galactus on March 03, 2013, 02:51:30 PM
"do we have time for one more?" doesn't piss me off nearly as badly as "we're gonna wait for some more people to show up."
Fuck you, bill says doors @ 7 / show's @ 9, start the fucking show already! >:(
That one can also set the domino effect that leaves the last band with no way out of a shortened set. >:( >:( >:(
Put one of these on the club's P.A.(http://www.advancegreenhouses.com/Timers%20and%20Controls/Grounded%20Cordless%20Timer.jpg)
^^^
Problem solved. That or one of those time dials they have on lights in climate controlled storage facilities.
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No.
I think it's okay to ask the sound guy if you have time for one more. Sometimes shit's running ahead of schedule...Rarely, but it happens...Or, if everyone is obviously there to see your band and nobody else brought anyone. You SHOULD play longer.
That ain't playing by the rules .
It's usually only an issue when there are way too many bands (yet another reason to dislike festivals). If one or two run a little late, then band 5 or 12 is going on Tuesday morning.
We've always had problems fitting our songs into 30 minute sets. We have too many 12-20 minute songs so it never fits that well. At some shows we've tried to set up faster so we could get a few extra minutes to accommodate a certain set.
I would much rather have people tell me that they wished we played more, and that they are stoked on the band, than walking out for a smoke or taking a piss. I think 35-40 is a good general length for a band. what gets me is when other bands take their sweet time getting on and off stage. If you take 10 mins to set up and break down then play 50 mins, if it takes a half hour then you get a 30 min set.
for rock music 30 minutes ...a good punk band can get it done in 20. Ive seen Dwarves sets that were 10 minutes and kicked more ass than a 3 hour stadium show.
country bands will play for four hours and not repeat a song. but they are the only band on the bill and take a coule breaks...and of course its all covers.
My favorite is when the super lame nu-metal band that just played before you unloads all their stuff off right in front of the stage, then spends a half hour taking apart their rack drum set on the "dance floor"...fucking kick that shit right out of my way. >:(
Quote from: liquidsmoke on March 01, 2013, 12:24:44 AM
Otherwise, do you not have a phone in your pocket with which to check the time?
checking your phone on stage is a really shitty look
I don't think most people care today since nobody under 30 wears a watch any more.
An hourglass would be totally DOOM though. Or a halfhourglass.
haha yes a halfhourglass! Getting one!
I checked the time on my phone on stage during our last 2 shows. It would please me greatly if someone in the audience found that to be lame. I think I'm going to wear a Grateful Dead shirt next show.
i can see where an audience member could see a dude on stage check his phone and get the wrong impression.
Quote from: clockwork green on March 05, 2013, 08:14:07 PM
I don't think most people care today since nobody under 30 wears a watch any more.
when i did it, i didn't hear the end of it!
i was only trying to make sure we finished on time - but everyone thought i was checking my texts
these days i just ask the sound guy if we have time for one more
Quote from: natehusky on March 05, 2013, 03:25:03 PM
That ain't playing by the rules .
It's rock'n'roll, there's not supposed to be any rules.
We just time our sets in the practice room and play with no heed for time, if something goes wrong we drop a song and that's about it.
Whatever happened to rehearsing a set at a desired length, and then playing the set. If you practice a 30 min set then the live one should be about that long... without looking at a phone, watch, hourglass, annoyed sound guy etc.
Quote from: Cursed71 on March 06, 2013, 02:58:51 PM
Whatever happened to rehearsing a set at a desired length, and then playing the set. If you practice a 30 min set then the live one should be about that long... without looking at a phone, watch, hourglass, annoyed sound guy etc.
Word. Unless you're prone to irregular outbursts of jamming, that works.
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Ive always wanted to stop mid song to take a cell phone call....I think that would be pretty funny.
The hourglass idea is brilliant..."when the sands of time have passed thur this hourglass, our mighty work shall be done!"
or....they could do like at the oscars and if you start going over your set time, they start playing "baby Got Back" at increasing volume until you get the hint.
Is that MOss?(above)
Yob, Chovis.
Work out a set in the rehearsal room and time that. Definitely support bands need to do that. Headliners can play as long as they want to in my book, if you lose focus, go outside for a minute.
And especially Yob gets to play as long as they want too. I'll still be nailed to the floor being in riff-heaven.
I wonder if bands ever time their set in the jam room, like the set they're gonna play at a show? You know, see how long that is...
:D
Well yeah, of course YOB can do that. But I think at the beginning of their live roadburn 2010 album they start with Mike saying "we'll be playing 4 songs total time 1 hour" or something like that. So...yeah, it's rehearsed. They practiced a predetermined set, and kept pretty close to the time they said they would play when doing it live. That's all I was sayin'. Also unless you are YOB keep it short and sweet.
Quote from: Cursed71 on March 06, 2013, 06:02:40 PM
Also unless you are YOB keep it short and sweet.
...or Neurosis, or five other bands. The rest of you (us) fuckheads get up there, blow a fuckin' wad and haul ass offstage !
Case closed.
Quote from: Metal and Beer on March 06, 2013, 05:59:13 PM
I wonder if bands ever time their set in the jam room, like the set they're gonna play at a show? You know, see how long that is...
:D
We did it, it worked out pretty well. But then at the next two shows "that dude was checking his texts on stage". Never thought about that, haha.