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Title: Price to get guitar set up?
Post by: Ombrenuit on August 21, 2012, 10:50:41 AM
I put 12s on my SG and tuned down to C standard. Got buzzing, intonation issues (that I wasn't great at fixing), and a G string that goes flat after 30 seconds. I'd like to get the truss rod adjusted as well.

Took it to Willis music - local store - and I was given a quote of "$20 to $50". Unfortunately I wasn't able to interview the luthier who would be setting up the guitar. Is this too high? Honestly I'd be willing to pay $50 IF he solved all three of my issues. How reasonable is it to expect this guy not to do a half ass job or to know what he's doing?

Where I'm coming from: my dad has a luthier "license" or whatever but is a total dick who thinks tuning a guitar to anything but e standard is unnecessary and hurts the guitar. He refused to set up my guitar that way and spouted off some bs about the buzzing and shit being a direct result of "sgs aren't designed for downtuning"
Title: Re: Re: Price to get guitar set up?
Post by: VOLVO))) on August 21, 2012, 11:03:07 AM
30 bucks + strings. A set up will fix all of that shit, because a real set up involves adjusting all of that.

Experience: I do it every day
Title: Re: Price to get guitar set up?
Post by: dunwichamps on August 21, 2012, 11:09:50 AM
Quote from: Ombrenuit on August 21, 2012, 10:50:41 AM
Where I'm coming from: my dad has a luthier "license" or whatever but is a total dick who thinks tuning a guitar to anything but e standard is unnecessary and hurts the guitar. He refused to set up my guitar that way and spouted off some bs about the buzzing and shit being a direct result of "sgs aren't designed for downtuning"
I have run into a few of these types. oh so annoying.
Title: Re: Price to get guitar set up?
Post by: Mr. Foxen on August 21, 2012, 11:22:35 AM
Depends what the setup includes. Jacking the action till it stops buzzing seems to be standard for music shops and should cost maybe $2. My mentor guy charges £70 for a full setup that includes fret dress and recrown/polish and recutting the nut. £45 gets not including the full fret dress. Thats a proper job. I do a basic tinkering for some beers, and the strings.
Title: Re: Price to get guitar set up?
Post by: Hemisaurus on August 21, 2012, 11:24:55 AM
Hasn't Iommi been doing it since the 70's?

It's a gamble taking your guitar to a luthier, I can't even say take it to an old guy, he'll know what he's doing, cause your dad's and old guy, and a dick, and Sunns a young guy, possibly also a dick, but knows what he's doing ;D

Is there anyone you know in your area to give recommendations? Are you willing to do it yourself? I'm coming from, I had the place I bought my bass set it up, and they did an awful job, and I ended up doing it again myself. So there are idiots out there, but there are also good guys, you either have to ask around, or experiment, or do it yourself. There are how to books, probably also online guides, and videos by now.
Title: Re: Re: Price to get guitar set up?
Post by: VOLVO))) on August 21, 2012, 11:57:13 AM
Or we can just walk you through it.

I am an asshole. You will learn volumes from assholes, we're better at stuff.
Title: Re: Re: Price to get guitar set up?
Post by: Ombrenuit on August 21, 2012, 02:15:11 PM
Quote from: SunnO))) on August 21, 2012, 11:57:13 AM
Or we can just walk you through it.

I am an asshole. You will learn volumes from assholes, we're better at stuff.

Thanks for the offer. But I don't have the measuring tools or the wrench needed to make truss adjustments.
Title: Re: Price to get guitar set up?
Post by: VOLVO))) on August 21, 2012, 02:32:37 PM
Fuck measuring tools. I've never put anything to a guitar other than a fret rocker, and a straight edge to see how much relief is in the neck.

99% chance your neck is fine unless there is OBVIOUS bowing. A little relief is fine. Stretch the strings, stretch the fuck out of them. Then tune it back down. Make sure they are all seated properly in the nut. Where are the buzzes?
Title: Re: Price to get guitar set up?
Post by: Hemisaurus on August 21, 2012, 03:06:15 PM
Can't you do it like we do basses?

Lower the strings to where you want, where does it buzz?

Above the 12th fret or so, too much bow, you need to tighten the truss

The first 5-7 frets or so, too little bow, need to loosen the truss

All over the neck, you need to raise the strings

Title: Re: Price to get guitar set up?
Post by: VOLVO))) on August 21, 2012, 03:08:48 PM
Quote from: Hemisaurus on August 21, 2012, 03:06:15 PM
Can't you do it like we do basses?

Lower the strings to where you want, where does it buzz?

Above the 12th fret or so, too much bow, you need to tighten the truss

The first 5-7 frets or so, too little bow, need to loosen the truss

All over the neck, you need to raise the strings



It's all the same stresses and such at work. There's a fine balance, but just lowering action? Lower it until it buzzes, jack it up a quarter turn, bam.

Old school, fuck a buncha new-fangled measuring tools, gauges, etc. You play guitar. Play every part of it.
Title: Re: Price to get guitar set up?
Post by: grimniggzy on August 21, 2012, 03:32:52 PM
I don't want to pay for someone to do this but I think I might have to.
This thing is a bitch (compared to what I'm used to)...
http://www.ampeg.com/pdf/D-ArmstrongManual.pdf (http://www.ampeg.com/pdf/D-ArmstrongManual.pdf)
Title: Re: Price to get guitar set up?
Post by: VOLVO))) on August 21, 2012, 03:36:53 PM
Shouldn't be no-big-deal...
Title: Re: Price to get guitar set up?
Post by: grimniggzy on August 21, 2012, 04:07:12 PM
I dunno, I was messin with it. The bridge is a goddamn piece of wood with stupid little metal pieces coming out of it that hold the strings.
I need to take a real look when I get a chance but reading that made me sad. I'm used to my Fender's.
Title: Re: Price to get guitar set up?
Post by: VOLVO))) on August 21, 2012, 04:32:25 PM
Quote from: grimniggzy on August 21, 2012, 04:07:12 PM
I dunno, I was messin with it. The bridge is a goddamn piece of wood with stupid little metal pieces coming out of it that hold the strings.
I need to take a real look when I get a chance but reading that made me sad. I'm used to my Fender's.

What's wrong with it? pics.
Title: Re: Price to get guitar set up?
Post by: FullCustom on August 21, 2012, 05:47:30 PM
For a full setup we charge around $85. We are the most expensive in town, but we never ruin a guitar.
Title: Re: Re: Price to get guitar set up?
Post by: VOLVO))) on August 21, 2012, 06:14:14 PM
Yeah. Higher price doesn't relate to not ruining an instrument. So, there's that. I've never ruined an instrument, and I charge less than half of that.
Title: Re: Price to get guitar set up?
Post by: Baltar on August 21, 2012, 06:14:29 PM
I paid $50 for my last set-up in the northern Detroit burbs (Auburn Hills/Rochester Hills).  That was strings, fret polish/cleaning, etc.  That was in '08 I think.  

Man, cool that your dad plays guitar, not cool that he's ignorant and close-minded. SG's are meant for down-tuning, yeah right, and Margret Thatcher didn't deny kids free milk.
Title: Re: Re: Price to get guitar set up?
Post by: VOLVO))) on August 21, 2012, 06:15:44 PM
Man. I can gouge the shit out of people!
Title: Re: Price to get guitar set up?
Post by: Mr. Foxen on August 21, 2012, 06:23:49 PM
Last bit of guitar work I did:
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Incarante/wish005.jpg)
Title: Re: Re: Price to get guitar set up?
Post by: FullCustom on August 21, 2012, 06:28:03 PM
Quote from: SunnO))) on August 21, 2012, 06:14:14 PM
Yeah. Higher price doesn't relate to not ruining an instrument. So, there's that. I've never ruined an instrument, and I charge less than half of that.
Correct, but do you have overhead and insurance? There are people out there that can do a great job for $40 and those that will ruin your guitar for $200. A lot of music stores will do a setup for $40 cause they also sell guitars. But a shop that only does repairs should be more expensive.
Title: Re: Re: Price to get guitar set up?
Post by: VOLVO))) on August 21, 2012, 06:31:04 PM
You must live somewhere nice.
Title: Re: Re: Price to get guitar set up?
Post by: FullCustom on August 21, 2012, 06:34:11 PM
Quote from: SunnO))) on August 21, 2012, 06:31:04 PM
You must live somewhere nice.
Nope, and I drive an old Dodge Dakota two wheel drive pickup.
Title: Re: Re: Price to get guitar set up?
Post by: VOLVO))) on August 21, 2012, 06:51:19 PM
Townwise. I live in the South. People don't pay 85 dollars unless it gives them welfare or unlimited cigarettes.
Title: Re: Price to get guitar set up?
Post by: Hemisaurus on August 21, 2012, 07:10:36 PM
Quote from: Baltar on August 21, 2012, 06:14:29 PM
Man, cool that your dad plays guitar, not cool that he's ignorant and close-minded. SG's are meant for down-tuning, yeah right, and Margret Thatcher didn't deny kids free milk.
You're just trying to get me started.

So I think we can summarise here

Title: Re: Price to get guitar set up?
Post by: Ranbat on August 21, 2012, 09:29:30 PM
Most of the shops in town that I have checked are around $80 and booked a month out. You can take it to GC and get it done for $35-$45. I know a guy that has a small shop that does them for $40. So, yeah, ask around or take the time to do it yourself.
Title: Re: Re: Price to get guitar set up?
Post by: FullCustom on August 21, 2012, 09:36:56 PM
Quote from: SunnO))) on August 21, 2012, 06:51:19 PM
Townwise. I live in the South. People don't pay 85 dollars unless it gives them welfare or unlimited cigarettes.
I've heard that about the south. I'm in the north east. Its a bit different up here. You guys need a good hard frost.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Price to get guitar set up?
Post by: VOLVO))) on August 21, 2012, 09:40:05 PM
Quote from: FullCustom on August 21, 2012, 09:36:56 PM
Quote from: SunnO))) on August 21, 2012, 06:51:19 PM
Townwise. I live in the South. People don't pay 85 dollars unless it gives them welfare or unlimited cigarettes.
I've heard that about the south. I'm in the north east. Its a bit different up here. You guys need a good hard frost.

We need a good hard nuclear winter. Maybe it'll weed out the fucking inbreds.
Title: Re: Price to get guitar set up?
Post by: Ombrenuit on August 21, 2012, 09:50:36 PM
Well took it to the shop tonight and they told me that the guy wouldn't be in for another week. Leary of taking it to a streamlined corporate shop like guitar center and getting a min cost of sales job. Anyone know anyone in Cincy?