Of course, this is purely subjective. I was just wondering out loud as whether there is such a thing or not?
SG?
Les Paul?
Some kind of SuperStrat?
Shitty department store guitar from the 60's or 70's?
Ukulele?
Jazzmaster?
Tele?
What say you, and why?
It's hard not to play pauls. If I had to break away, I'd go Tele. Prolly go RD before an SG but that's more personal tastes than anything.
Superstrats may not always fit the ideal "stonerrock" vibe but are super easy players and extremely flexible in role.
SG's seem to be the most common but not like they were 15 or so years ago.
les paul special? you'd have to work kinda hard to make things not sound somewhere within the broad ambit of Stoner Rock with P90s
Quote from: clockwork green on July 06, 2012, 05:09:30 PM
SG's seem to be the most common but not like they were 15 or so years ago.
Seems like LP's may have passed them.
I blame it on this jerk
(http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/38362271/Matt+Pike+highfire.jpg)
I've heard good stoner heaviness outta plenty of different guitar brands/models, but I'll also jump on the "used to be the SG, now the LP" bandwagon.
As far as the stereotype goes, yeah, it's the Lester now.
it totally depends on what kind of tone your aiming for. "stoner rock" covers a wide range of sounds and you can pretty much dial in any kind of bitchin tone with the right combo of pickups, pedals and amp.
which guitarist's tone do you sticks out for you most? what kind of tone are you aiming for?
you can google rig setups that your favourite guitarists use.
i would say that humbuckers versus single coils are the only factor that will determine the amount of drive/punch/volume in your overall tone but pedals will get you pretty much any sound youre looking for.
Add one more to the room of "used to be the SG, now the LP" bandwagon.
An SR guitar to me is one that the person got cheap and it just sounds heavy.
Anyway, throw in Iceman's and Mockingbirds.
Quote from: Instant Dan on July 06, 2012, 06:55:22 PM
Add one more to the room of "used to be the SG, now the LP" bandwagon.
An SR guitar to me is one that the person got cheap and it just sounds heavy.
Anyway, throw in Iceman's and Mockingbirds.
YES! Those two are definitely sleepers.
I'm going with SG if you're pushing 40 like me and 20+years of sk8/snowboarding and big heavy amps. My Paul was not comfortable like it was in '92 when I was 19. But definitely 'buckers are the go-to pup. What they're dropped into is usually not as important.
(http://www.themusiczoo.com/images8_08/Eagle_Supreme_MZ036combo.jpg)
(http://www.sheltonsguitars.com/images/2008/2-20-08/guild%20s-100/big/bigguilds100DSCN9972.jpg)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lze2vv6Iwa1r80ikgo1_400.jpg)
(http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/6995/1979kramer.jpg)
OUTSIDE THE BOX, KIDS, OUTSIDE THE BOX!
I think the fact that you bought it at a pawn shop makes it the ultimate stoner guitar ;D
SG Standard!
best value, best looking, rocks hardest!!!
I agree that the Paul seems to be more prevalent in SR these days. But does that embody the spirit of SR? Or is there such a thing?
I think that as long as you have heaping manure-shovels of fuzz, you can use almost anything for "that" tone. I like the idea of the Paul Jr, or generally any solid body with P90s, though. Maybe because I own three P90s guitars? Maybe. There's something just ballsy about a P90. Then again, hums do have a fuller sound. Tough call.
I do also kind of like the pawn shop/el cheapo idea. It seems more the route a real stoner would take if he suddenly decided he wanted to play guitar. I guess I should clarify; a poor stoner.
I would never have thought of an Iceman. I guess I'll always associate that with Paul Stanley, which is not my idea of a stoner rock guitarist.
When I think of stoner I think of SGs. Why? And with the popular vote going toward Lesters? All mahogany. That is detuned wood my initiates. That maple cap on the lesters adds a snap to the tone that says "I'm about to play some leads." All mahogany says "I'm going to melt your ass with riffs of Hell sludge!".
That being said...I used to play SGs now I play a MIK LP ;D
(http://www.epiphonelespaulshop.com/images/20120211/doc_images-1105200412013.jpg)
Quote from: OUTLANDAH on July 07, 2012, 05:11:15 AM
(http://www.epiphonelespaulshop.com/images/20120211/doc_images-1105200412013.jpg)
Fuck, 2nd'd
^ think i saw a few on the ebay completely stripped down, body and neck only for 400$. I just had to pay $800 fine otherwise I would have bought two.
(http://www.carverdoug.com/1.jpg/wang/wang.7.jpg)
You'll say LP until you see Earthless. You'll say strat until you see Red Fang. You'll say Guild until you see Melvins. You'll say Electrical until you see HOF. Then you'll say First Act. Pretty much there isn't an ultimate. They can all work.
Whatever Fanny Jo's playing:
(http://www.greenamps.com/ea-usa-el-fannyjo.jpg)
This was the correct answer before there was even a question:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/louderthangod/b76a9872.jpg)
Quote from: OUTLANDAH on July 07, 2012, 05:11:15 AM
(http://www.epiphonelespaulshop.com/images/20120211/doc_images-1105200412013.jpg)
Want! What do they call this model and when were these made?
My vote aside from ^ is the Les Paul. Neck pup and a bit of distortion and you're heavy as fuck although that goes for most guitars.
Epiphone Scroll, Benberry Lazer please report to the courtesy phone with a picture of your buttpussy and Scroll!
Quote from: clockwork green on July 07, 2012, 02:09:46 PM
This was the correct answer before there was even a question:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/louderthangod/b76a9872.jpg)
Tony is god.
Can't tell if that's the Diggins or not.
Found some info, said to be heavier than Les Pauls! I'd at least like to play one sometime, I imagine they are worth quite a bit now.
One of those brands Rondo sells should make a clone.
http://www.matsumoku.org/models/epiphone/scroll/scroll.html
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=522556
What about this one?
(http://www.rondomusic.net/photos/electric/al2000flatblack1.jpg)
Or this (too surfy, maybe)?
(http://proguitarshop.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/img_9672-2.jpg)
And the hardware would have to be changed, but how about this sleeper?
(http://www.the-guitar-deal-store.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/w/t/wt440.jpg)
(http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff409/enslavedinrot/IMAG0034.jpg)
hahaha sorry guys i don't know how to post an image that isn't fucking huge.
I am so very jealous of that guitar.
The sc350 is all mahogany the others are all maple. I got mine for $275 off evilbay. It really isnt as heavy as a les paul but it sounds like it (almost). i love mine. The neck seems unusually long even for a 24 fret. It wont fit in any of my cases. I kinda treat it like a beater guitar. I keep it in my car without a case all the time in hopes of getting into an impromptu jam session with someone. I really wanted a 24 fret bolt on mahogany guitar and this bad pup matched all the requirements and then some.
p.s.-my buttpussy is currently awaiting my arrival at my drummers house
Quote from: Blueberry Lazer on July 08, 2012, 01:12:35 PM
The sc350 is all mahogany the others are all maple. I got mine for $275 off evilbay. It really isnt as heavy as a les paul but it sounds like it (almost). i love mine. The neck seems unusually long even for a 24 fret. It wont fit in any of my cases. I kinda treat it like a beater guitar. I keep it in my car without a case all the time in hopes of getting into an impromptu jam session with someone. I really wanted a 24 fret bolt on mahogany guitar and this bad pup matched all the requirements and then some.
Good price, was that in the last few years? Is it neck heavy? No case in the car? I'd save it from you if I needed a new guitar right now and had the money to spend.
Quote from: clockwork green on July 07, 2012, 02:09:46 PM
This was the correct answer before there was even a question:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/louderthangod/b76a9872.jpg)
my point exactly.
What was the guitar that Fatsoforgetso? guy from the old board used a lot. I think that was his username, if not he was from Colorado. Some kind of a mix between an lp jr. cut and an ovation clone from rondo.
I like this one a lot.
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/BucketsOBlood/jetstar.jpg)
^ It's ugly in such a pretty way.
Quote from: FrankenFretter on July 08, 2012, 09:15:13 AM
Or this (too surfy, maybe)?
(http://proguitarshop.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/img_9672-2.jpg)
Me likey. What is it?
The best way to determine the most correct answer would be to list all the seminal "stoner" bands and tally the guitar(s) that contributed to their sounds.
Then throw that list away because the correct answer is an SG because Tony Iommi played one of those.
Quote from: bitter on July 09, 2012, 01:43:17 AM
What was the guitar that Fatsoforgetso? guy from the old board used a lot. I think that was his username, if not he was from Colorado. Some kind of a mix between an lp jr. cut and an ovation clone from rondo.
Duder who plays guitar in Low Gravity?
not sure, he was a younger guy; in college I think.
if i remember right he played a firebrand 335, i drooled over that thing a bunch.
(http://www.usedgibsonguitars.co.uk/images/P/firebrand.jpg)
I thought it was more of an off brand/import, but that's definitely the shape I'm thinking of. Such a perfect contender for a scene guitar.
and i am going to submit the following 3 examples of what id consider the ultimate stoner rock basses, I like p-basses, but they ain't the ultimate.
rickenbaker 4003
(http://www.oocities.org/nhawk750/jet.jpg)
T-bird
(http://images.gibson.com/Files/d2c1fd3c-983b-4fd5-88e6-f00acd5f9947.jpg)
Iceman
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/usedimg/UI365601213361.jpg)
And for the stoners with a budget:
(http://www.monstercommute.com/wp-content/uploads/peavey-t-40-bass.jpg)
Quote from: The Shocker on July 09, 2012, 10:07:08 AM
Quote from: FrankenFretter on July 08, 2012, 09:15:13 AM
Or this (too surfy, maybe)?
(http://proguitarshop.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/img_9672-2.jpg)
Me likey. What is it?
EKO Manta. http://proguitarshop.com/eko-manta-blue-sparkle.html
Yo, I contend that the t-40 and 60 are god tier instruments.
Quote from: Discö Rice on July 09, 2012, 01:59:55 AM
I like this one a lot.
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/BucketsOBlood/jetstar.jpg)
That guitar looks like I just ate a bag of shrooms.
Quote from: MichaelZodiac on July 09, 2012, 02:04:03 PM
And for the stoners with a budget:
If this is the same bass Ron Holzner ex Trouble plays(or used to play) I think these are pretty pricey now.
Those T-40s and 60s are really under rated, and you can sometimes find them on CL for pretty cheap. US made, very solid instruments.
Yes, that is an Eko Manta that I posted. I came pretty close to buying one a few weeks ago, but bought this instead (always wanted a Mosrite):
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-e23NoD26ET4/T_jChh6lz1I/AAAAAAAABbU/UmxVQXPm8hI/s640/100_2544.JPG)
Quote from: liquidsmoke on July 09, 2012, 12:29:49 AM
Good price, was that in the last few years? Is it neck heavy? No case in the car? I'd save it from you if I needed a new guitar right now and had the money to spend.
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Yeah i got it last year. it is kinda neck heavy but no more so than your standard sg. No case for it man but I make sure not to leave it in the car for long.
Quote from: Blueberry Lazer on July 09, 2012, 10:27:44 PM
Quote from: liquidsmoke on July 09, 2012, 12:29:49 AM
Good price, was that in the last few years? Is it neck heavy? No case in the car? I'd save it from you if I needed a new guitar right now and had the money to spend.
Yeah i got it last year. it is kinda neck heavy but no more so than your standard sg. No case for it man but I make sure not to leave it in the car for long.
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I'm tired of neck heavy guitars but that sucker looks cool. Good to know they aren't all super pricey.
Quote from: FrankenFretter on July 09, 2012, 09:26:57 PM
Those T-40s and 60s are really under rated, and you can sometimes find them on CL for pretty cheap. US made, very solid instruments.
Yes, that is an Eko Manta that I posted. I came pretty close to buying one a few weeks ago, but bought this instead (always wanted a Mosrite):
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-e23NoD26ET4/T_jChh6lz1I/AAAAAAAABbU/UmxVQXPm8hI/s640/100_2544.JPG)
Pretty.
The ultimate Stoner Rock guitar is the one of the plugged into the ultimate stoner rock amp. I'll contend the amp is more important than the guitar in this style of music. :P ;D
Quote from: The Shocker on July 10, 2012, 03:56:55 AM
Quote from: FrankenFretter on July 09, 2012, 09:26:57 PM
Those T-40s and 60s are really under rated, and you can sometimes find them on CL for pretty cheap. US made, very solid instruments.
Yes, that is an Eko Manta that I posted. I came pretty close to buying one a few weeks ago, but bought this instead (always wanted a Mosrite):
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-e23NoD26ET4/T_jChh6lz1I/AAAAAAAABbU/UmxVQXPm8hI/s640/100_2544.JPG)
Pretty.
yeah, i'm into it
ES-335. Sounds and plays like butter.
(http://superlineup.com/website/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/graveyard-band.jpg)
I AINT FIT TO LIVE HEEEEEEEEEERRRRRREEEE
:)
Quote from: AgentofOblivion on July 10, 2012, 11:59:10 AM
ES-335. Sounds and plays like butter.
(http://superlineup.com/website/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/graveyard-band.jpg)
:o Cool axes, but where the hell did you guys pick up that miniature rhythm section?
Wait just a second... that looks like... Graveyard.
What is going on, here? You better not be in Graveyard without telling me, for so long! ;D
No, I'm not in Graveyard. I fucking wish...
Quote from: AgentofOblivion on July 10, 2012, 02:55:25 PM
No, I'm not in Graveyard. I fucking wish...
Boner killer. ;D
HOW DARE YOU SPAM YOUR BAND PIC'S WITH LESS THAT 35 POSTS!!!
I'm not sure how it got started that I'm in that picture. I was simply voting for the ES-335 and then giving an example of one put in use by a bad ass band. But yeah, I'm in Graveyard and I write all the music. Bow to me...
(That was a joke. I'm not in Graveyard. I'm not working for Graveyard. I've only been in the same room once and that's because I paid.)
For a small fee I will Photoshop you into the band of your choice. "Look! I'm the old second guitar player in Sleep!" or "I was the drum tech for Foghat during their 1977 US tour!"
Great for t-shirts or perhaps a framed photo in your den.
Quote from: fallen on July 10, 2012, 04:36:56 PM
For a small fee I will Photoshop you into the band of your choice. "Look! I'm the old second guitar player in Sleep!" or "I was the drum tech for Foghat during their 1977 US tour!"
Great for t-shirts or perhaps a framed photo in your den.
In!
As far as basses go... I started out w/ a Reverend Rumblefish. That bass still fucking slays, but it's too nice to take to bars so it sits at home (1 of 30 made in bugeye!). It's my #1 home bass for sure though.
After I put the Reverend away I got a Japanese Fender P, then a Peavey T-40, then two late-70s Yamaha BBs (800 and 1000), and now I play G&L Tributes. The G&Ls just sound huge. Way huger than anything else I've ever owned & I love them. I played the Yamahas for a while though. Probably close to a year. I still love those basses too.
Matt's Yamaha SGs are awesome. I like them a hell of a lot more than when he had his Gibson SG.
rick for bass guitar! I love my jetglo 4003 :)
(http://img.tapatalk.com/4257025c-6b99-3cd7.jpg)
Quote from: AgentofOblivion on July 10, 2012, 11:59:10 AM
ES-335. Sounds and plays like butter.
(http://superlineup.com/website/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/graveyard-band.jpg)
Ggguuuhhh... why are Swedes so badass at making throwback rock?!
Thanks for posting this (regardless of whether or not you're in the band ;)), as I'd never checked these dudes out before.
WTF is the awesome looking stack that's not Orange in that pic?
I'm not sure what that stack is, but they played all Orange on stage. Even the bassist. It sounded fucking amazing. The guy can fucking sing live too. Not the type that nails it on the album but can never recreate it. Also, they had Radio Moscow open, who I had never heard of before that night. Holy shit...they rock dude. Check them out as well if you like Graveyard. And before anyone asks, I'm not in Radio Moscow either...
Quote from: everdrone on July 11, 2012, 12:31:06 AM
rick for bass guitar! I love my jetglo 4003 :)
Problem w/ a Rick is they're thin sounding. To each his own, for sure, but I have little love for a Rick for heavy music. Graveyard-y sort of stuff, sure. Big, heavy, bassy, sludgy metal... Not really. I also had a Gibson RD Artist that I didn't love as much as my Yamaha BBs or G&L L-2000s. Weird.
I disagree, however I think the amp has a lot yo do with it. for whatever its worth every riff I ever recorded with damnweevil was on my rick, I definitely never had an issue with bringing the thunder. I do believe tone is as much in a players hands as any other part of the chain, strings, instrument, effects, amps and cabs.
The Swedes do everything right,.
Metal, grind, crustpunk, doom, etc...
Quote from: SunnO))) on July 11, 2012, 01:04:46 PM
The Swedes do everything right,.
Metal, grind, crustpunk, doom, etc...
My thoughts after checking out the recent thread on Snailking.
Quote from: SunnO))) on July 11, 2012, 01:04:46 PM
The Swedes do everything right,.
Metal, grind, crustpunk, doom, etc...
I know, right?! No fair! >:(
Also seriously what the hell is that amp?!
Quote from: Cursed71 on July 11, 2012, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: SunnO))) on July 11, 2012, 01:04:46 PM
The Swedes do everything right,.
Metal, grind, crustpunk, doom, etc...
My thoughts after checking out the recent thread on Snailking.
man.
Quote from: zachoff on July 11, 2012, 11:07:58 AM
Quote from: everdrone on July 11, 2012, 12:31:06 AM
rick for bass guitar! I love my jetglo 4003 :)
Problem w/ a Rick is they're thin sounding. To each his own, for sure, but I have little love for a Rick for heavy music. Graveyard-y sort of stuff, sure. Big, heavy, bassy, sludgy metal... Not really. I also had a Gibson RD Artist that I didn't love as much as my Yamaha BBs or G&L L-2000s. Weird.
Ricks can sound really heavy and thick too. Last time I saw Kongh, I remember seeing the bassist playing a Rick, and I would neither call the bass sound on Dopethrone thin and wimpy...
Quote from: aowron on July 12, 2012, 03:54:03 PM
Quote from: zachoff on July 11, 2012, 11:07:58 AM
Quote from: everdrone on July 11, 2012, 12:31:06 AM
rick for bass guitar! I love my jetglo 4003 :)
Problem w/ a Rick is they're thin sounding. To each his own, for sure, but I have little love for a Rick for heavy music. Graveyard-y sort of stuff, sure. Big, heavy, bassy, sludgy metal... Not really. I also had a Gibson RD Artist that I didn't love as much as my Yamaha BBs or G&L L-2000s. Weird.
Ricks can sound really heavy and thick too. Last time I saw Kongh, I remember seeing the bassist playing a Rick, and I would neither call the bass sound on Dopethrone thin and wimpy...
That is the great thing about driven valve amps. Now go find a clean rick sound, even on the Beatles albums is pretty hairy.
Quote from: Mr. Foxen on July 12, 2012, 05:16:51 PM
Quote from: aowron on July 12, 2012, 03:54:03 PM
Quote from: zachoff on July 11, 2012, 11:07:58 AM
Quote from: everdrone on July 11, 2012, 12:31:06 AM
rick for bass guitar! I love my jetglo 4003 :)
Problem w/ a Rick is they're thin sounding. To each his own, for sure, but I have little love for a Rick for heavy music. Graveyard-y sort of stuff, sure. Big, heavy, bassy, sludgy metal... Not really. I also had a Gibson RD Artist that I didn't love as much as my Yamaha BBs or G&L L-2000s. Weird.
Ricks can sound really heavy and thick too. Last time I saw Kongh, I remember seeing the bassist playing a Rick, and I would neither call the bass sound on Dopethrone thin and wimpy...
That is the great thing about driven valve amps. Now go find a clean rick sound, even on the Beatles albums is pretty hairy.
Yes? The Jam? Both have clean Rick sound (IMO). Early Rush?
BTW, I'm not a Rick fan...
Isn't there a fairly well-known mod to take that signature thinness out of 'em?
Yeah, you change a cap to one with a different value to bring out some more low end. The new 4003's have a push-pull on the bridge tone pot which engages that circuit. They are even more versatile. I can't wait to get the second rig running to have some rick-o-sound.
Back to guitars.
I think this one has contributed quite a bit to the "desert sound"
(http://images.ha.com/lf?set=path%5B6%2F6%2F7%2F0%2F6670802%5D%2Csizedata%5B220x350%5D&call=url%5Bfile%3Aproduct.chain%5D)
Quote from: James1214 on July 13, 2012, 03:31:03 AM
Yeah, you change a cap to one with a different value to bring out some more low end. The new 4003's have a push-pull on the bridge tone pot which engages that circuit. They are even more versatile. I can't wait to get the second rig running to have some rick-o-sound.
Back to guitars.
I think this one has contributed quite a bit to the "desert sound"
From the headstock, I'd guess that's an Ovation? Weird.
Quote from: FrankenFretter on July 13, 2012, 04:00:07 AM
Quote from: James1214 on July 13, 2012, 03:31:03 AM
Yeah, you change a cap to one with a different value to bring out some more low end. The new 4003's have a push-pull on the bridge tone pot which engages that circuit. They are even more versatile. I can't wait to get the second rig running to have some rick-o-sound.
Back to guitars.
I think this one has contributed quite a bit to the "desert sound"
From the headstock, I'd guess that's an Ovation? Weird.
Yessir!
(http://www.ovationtribute.com/Artists/Artists/images/josh%20homme_jpg.jpg)
Ah, the Ultra GP. Google is a wonderful thing. My ignorance is revealed...
Quote from: Lumpy on July 13, 2012, 02:51:51 AM
Yes? The Jam? Both have clean Rick sound (IMO). Early Rush?
BTW, I'm not a Rick fan...
The Jam was an Ibanez, and think recordings were done with a precision, was talking to a guy regarding such things at length because he is borrowing my CMI copy for the purpose. Plus, Marshall amps have got to be the least clean 'clean' sound you can get. Not sure about Rush.
The thinness mod was pulling the cap from the bridge pickup, which was alike a reverse tone control that only let highs through so it wouldn't blow up guitar cabs when using Ric-o-sound.
Would Rick James count as clean Ric bass?
Not the best pic, but I consider my blacktop jaguar to be the best one for me.
(http://i.imgur.com/YnWKS.jpg)
Quote from: BigSwordfishtrombone on July 15, 2012, 08:12:31 PM
Not the best pic, but I consider my blacktop jaguar to be the best one for me.
Nice!
I believe the Mark of Cain rock Rickenbacker guitars and basses...granted its not stoner rock but still heavy in a Big Black trebly meets Helmet riffage way.
Quote from: FrankenFretter on July 15, 2012, 08:48:19 PM
Quote from: BigSwordfishtrombone on July 15, 2012, 08:12:31 PM
Not the best pic, but I consider my blacktop jaguar to be the best one for me.
Nice!
Thanks. I currently have it in D standard for some stuff I've been working on.
Quote from: Mr. Foxen on July 13, 2012, 09:53:29 AM
Quote from: Lumpy on July 13, 2012, 02:51:51 AM
Yes? The Jam? Both have clean Rick sound (IMO). Early Rush?
BTW, I'm not a Rick fan...
The Jam was an Ibanez, and think recordings were done with a precision, was talking to a guy regarding such things at length because he is borrowing my CMI copy for the purpose. Plus, Marshall amps have got to be the least clean 'clean' sound you can get. Not sure about Rush.
The Jam played Rickenbackers. (Mods would play Ibanez? ??? LOL) I saw them three times in the 80s, so I can say that with certainty. Maybe at the end, they weren't playing Ricks? (I stopped listening to them when they went Motown).
Geddy Lee played a Rick in early Rush. Wikipedia says he used a Rick on Fly By Night, Caress of Steel, 2112, A Farewell to Kings, and Hemispheres albums and tours. My friends were bombarding me with Rush during this time (one guy played a Rick because Geddy did) so I know this to be true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geddy_Lee#Bass_guitars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geddy_Lee#Bass_guitars)
Not trying to bicker, but that "bouncy" clean tone is (IMO) the Rick bass' signature sound.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uGShOtYdG_o/R1SM0yjBldI/AAAAAAAAAlU/iy6Jqh-D8JA/s1600-R/jam.jpg)
(http://a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/145/7f60a0faacb148c89dddbc175ea07be4/l.jpg)
We can argue about other stuff now, since we all agree that the Gibson SG is thee ultimate Stoner Rock guitar. ;)
Quote from: Lumpy on July 16, 2012, 05:24:27 AM
We can argue about other stuff now, since we all agree that the Gibson SG is thee ultimate Stoner Rock guitar. ;)
Yeah, it seems like some of my favorite stoner rock riffs were done on an SG. Teles and semi-hollow/hollow bodies seem to be really good for it too imo.
On further review, maybe those Rick bass players weren't all that clean (some overdrive there). Mr. Foxen may be right in the larger sense (that a lot of Rick players are using overdrive or distortion). More so than other brands? I don't know.
How about Rick James? John Taylor from Duran Duran? (I hate them, but good bass player). Go nuts with this list here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rickenbacker_players#Bassists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rickenbacker_players#Bassists)
Quote from: Lumpy on July 16, 2012, 05:19:26 AM
Quote from: Mr. Foxen on July 13, 2012, 09:53:29 AM
Quote from: Lumpy on July 13, 2012, 02:51:51 AM
Yes? The Jam? Both have clean Rick sound (IMO). Early Rush?
BTW, I'm not a Rick fan...
The Jam was an Ibanez, and think recordings were done with a precision, was talking to a guy regarding such things at length because he is borrowing my CMI copy for the purpose. Plus, Marshall amps have got to be the least clean 'clean' sound you can get. Not sure about Rush.
The Jam played Rickenbackers. (Mods would play Ibanez? ??? LOL) I saw them three times in the 80s, so I can say that with certainty. Maybe at the end, they weren't playing Ricks? (I stopped listening to them when they went Motown).
Bruce Foxton most definitely played an Ibanez Ric copy on at least the first album. Was only after that he got a real Ric and then changed to a P-Bass by All Mod Cons. Apparently he wanted a bass that looked like a Ric but sounded like an EB-0.
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Quote from: Lumpy on July 16, 2012, 05:19:26 AM
Quote from: Mr. Foxen on July 13, 2012, 09:53:29 AM
Quote from: Lumpy on July 13, 2012, 02:51:51 AM
Yes? The Jam? Both have clean Rick sound (IMO). Early Rush?
BTW, I'm not a Rick fan...
The Jam was an Ibanez, and think recordings were done with a precision, was talking to a guy regarding such things at length because he is borrowing my CMI copy for the purpose. Plus, Marshall amps have got to be the least clean 'clean' sound you can get. Not sure about Rush.
The Jam played Rickenbackers. (Mods would play Ibanez? ??? LOL) I saw them three times in the 80s, so I can say that with certainty. Maybe at the end, they weren't playing Ricks? (I stopped listening to them when they went Motown).
Bruce Foxton most definitely played an Ibanez Ric copy on at least the first album. Was only after that he got a real Ric and then changed to a P-Bass by All Mod Cons. Apparently he wanted a bass that looked like a Ric but sounded like an EB-0.
According to some Jam page, it was a real rick first for style, but didn't like the sound. Either story sounds plausible, once you get to the point you actually care about the quality of the instrument and hear tone with your ears, the Ibanez would tend to come on top, especially compared to the last pick Ricks that got exported, but starting with the cheaper instrument also sounds likely. Rick has this ton of rabid fanboys thing that claim anything was a Rick, that list has Peter Hook on it FFS, he had a Hondo copy that was so shit he gave it away to a kid who sold it without using his name for a charity tombola. Imagine if anything shaped like a P bass got claimed as a Fender.
Also, Cliff Burton played an Aria Rick copy with the mudbucker in the neck position. Think he had a real one too, but might just have been the later aria with smaller pickup. Edit: having done a google image search, its always the Aria with mudbucker.
After searching the memory banks, I do remember Bruce Foxton playing a black Fender something on the 2nd show. (It was the 80s and I was probably high). I also didn't look at the headstock to know if he was playing a real Rick on the first show. So, 'D'oh!'.
Quote from: Lumpy on July 16, 2012, 12:51:44 PM
After searching the memory banks, I do remember Bruce Foxton playing a black Fender something on the 2nd show. (It was the 80s and I was probably high). I also didn't look at the headstock to know if he was playing a real Rick on the first show. So, 'D'oh!'.
Headstock may well not have helped, used to be able to get rick truss covers. About the only way to tell the good rick copies from the real thing was metric truss rod nuts, plus the good copies had better CNC machining and nicer wiring.
It seems like some of you are really splitting hairs. I love Rickenbacker basses (it's not a monogamous kind of love, but it's a profound one). I don't get what the debate here is. Does anyone play "Stoner Rock" with a sparkling clean tone? I like growl.I like grit. As for the supposed lack of bottom end, the push/pull pot is a cool option that makes a great bass even more versatile. Y'allz crazy.
I love how polarizing this discussion has been, and yet it ain't a shitstorm
Fuck me... no, Fuck YOU!
No Fag guitars.
Rickenbackers are for The Byrds...
Les Paul made 'em take his name off the SG.
He didn't like the guitar, dude was a Jazz/American Classics player, and the SG wasn't his cup o tea. Totally within his rights. Most would just accept the $.
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Les Paul made 'em take his name off the SG.
Because it was too "demonic".
Perfect for Metal and SR, though.
Quote from: RacerX on July 16, 2012, 07:05:04 PM
Les Paul made 'em take his name off the SG.
The ultimate irony being I'd take a '63–67 SG over most any hunk of wood post-2000ish that Gibson has slopped together that actually has his name on it.
(http://mycoolguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Weight-Relieved-Les-Paul.jpg)
(http://www.mylespaul.com/gallery/data/500/medium/DSCN0678.JPG)
(http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/shop_image/product/9562-epiphone-zakk-wylde-les-paul-custom-buzzsaw-chrome-hardware--large.jpg)
(http://images.gibson.com/Files/a61d5537-b8ff-4fe9-8723-727a66373fac.jpg)
Quote from: FrankenFretter on July 16, 2012, 08:53:08 PM
Because it was too "demonic".
Unless you mean more easily falling out of tune because of a weaker neck joint and going through a divorce is demonic, that might not be accurate.
(about 2/3rds down)
http://www.jinxmagazine.com/les_paul.html (http://www.jinxmagazine.com/les_paul.html)
I stand by my old belief that Floyd Rose trems on a LP = White Trash
Quote from: bitter on July 16, 2012, 11:01:15 PM
I stand by my old belief that Floyd Rose trems on a LP = White Trash
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HLwYAcUhAlc/ThsJsMSXb8I/AAAAAAAAE9U/ynH5WmCJgxg/s1600/neal+schon+prs.jpg)
Dude's sport'n jerry curl!
And to be honest that's not a LP...
Neal Schon hates tone and he's been trying to kill it for decades.
This is the ultimate in butt pussy stoner rock guitardom:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/louderthangod/a474fb6b.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/louderthangod/6a90643b.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/louderthangod/13a36bdf.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/louderthangod/3ccc3141.jpg)
That's what blues lawyers need. A real fine instrument with all those electronics that can even do your taxes!!!
The ultimate metal guitar is the Dean V-coustic. I don't know about the ultimate guitar for stoner rock but I play a 1984 Guild S-100. At work my test guitar is a pre-Squire 1970's Japanese Fender Strat copy.