and I knew to come here first. Whaddya say, boys? Penis? Butthole?
Also, I am actually looking for advice on how to remove a screw from something when the act of unscrewing it seems to turn the phillips-shaped slot into laffy taffy. If I can't get it out I have to buy a new double pedal, and I have other things I need to spend that money on.
Which pedal? Pics or it didn't happen.
You can try notching it with a dremel tool & use a regular screwdriver to remove it.
Alternatively, you gotta drill the head off & try to remove the shaft. If that doesn't work, gotta drill that out, too, then retap or use a helicoil.
^ Racer beat me to it.
Pic of the rounded culprit, gotta assess the sitch to determine action (is there any sticking up/out? Severity o' the damage? That kinda thing..). If there's none stickin' out and/or access is limited, you may need an EZ-Out* and a drill w/ smaller-than-stripper* bit. Simply bore the offender*, insert EZ-Out and staaaaaat removin', Norton
* That's What She Said
Editista: I was a-typin' when the other replies came in
The screws (there's more than one of the bastards) are in the bottom of the heel plate on the left pedal. The hinge is broken and I can't replace it unless I can get those screws out. I won't be at my practice space until later tonight, but I'll snag some pictures when I get there.
I would use my Matco screw extractor set. Do you have any decent tools like a Dremel like Racer said?
Quote from: Discö Rice on April 05, 2012, 02:42:59 PM
The screws (there's more than one of the bastards) are in the bottom of the heel plate on the left pedal. The hinge is broken and I can't replace it unless I can get those screws out. I won't be at my practice space until later tonight, but I'll snag some pictures when I get there.
Try some penetrating oil on it first: after applying it, tap the area sharply a few times to encourage penetration, then leave for a few hours/overnight before trying to remove.
huhhuh, that's what she said @ this entire thread.
True, dat. :D
Drill it oot.
Try the screw extractor first. Ever try to drill a #8 or a #6? Even drilling a #10 is a monstrous pain in the ass. A little oil and a screw extractor have been far more effective than an easy out ever has for me. I've snapped easy outs on the small diameter screws more than I care to mention. Drilling tapping or throwing a helicoil in is the absolute last thing I go for. Drilling small diameter screws takes an element of skill and depending on the grade of the screw could be a pain in the ass I've found. This is assuming it's a small diameter screw. With a diameter smaller than a 1/4". They're pretty small and don't typically have as much torque on them as 1/4" or wider diameter screws have.
Quote from: bloodofkings on April 05, 2012, 03:21:20 PM
Try the screw extractor first. Ever try to drill a #8 or a #6? Even drilling a #10 is a monstrous pain in the ass. A little oil and a screw extractor have been far more effective than an easy out ever has for me. I've snapped easy outs on the small diameter screws more than I care to mention. Drilling tapping or throwing a helicoil in is the absolute last thing I go for. Drilling small diameter screws takes an element of skill and depending on the grade of the screw could be a pain in the ass I've found. This is assuming it's a small diameter screw. With a diameter smaller than a 1/4". They're pretty small and don't typically have as much torque on them as 1/4" or wider diameter screws have.
Agreed. Drilling/helicoil is the final option after exhausting all other options. Hell, if you try the oil, you may not even need a screw extractor. Depends on how fucked up the screw head is, tho.
I stopped before it got too out of hand, so the oil might do the trick. Time to lay a sacrificial offering of cocaine and ball sweat at the altar of the drum gods.
Quote from: Discö Rice on April 05, 2012, 04:04:25 PM
I stopped before it got too out of hand, so the oil might do the trick. Time to lay a sacrificial offering of cocaine and ball sweat at the altar of the drum gods.
haha, applauded.
sorry , I can only help you with a brootal force fucking.
^^^^^^^^^^
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If any of the screw is accessible, ie. not in the hole, a set of wire cutters can be used to get a grip on accessible portion, and remove the whole screw.
Maybe try an impact driver, depending on the screw size. Those things do wonders, I never believed till I saw one in action. My Panasonic is fuckin ace
Here they are.
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Those don;t look that bad to me but I tear RV's apart and rebuild them for a living so i encounter much worse. Hose them down with PB Blaster let sit for an hour or so, make sure you've got a really good #2 phillips screw driver with a precision tip (like my Matco/Witte ones) and lean into it with slow even pressure. The heads don't seem so bunged up that you'd have to Dremel a slot in them. But if that doesn't sork you could Dremel the sides of the screw head flat and get a small pair of vise grips on them and slowly work it out. This is easy for me to say because I have all the tools necessary for this stuff. No screw has ever beaten me because that's not an option in my work. :) Good luck.
Diesel works as a penetrating oil, but I guess in the throbbing metropolis you don't have easy access to that either.
Quote from: Hemisaurus on April 06, 2012, 03:41:03 PM
Diesel works as a penetrating oil, but I guess in the throbbing metropolis you don't have easy access to that either.
Nah, he can get diesel about 2 blocks away at the BP station. I don't know if you can buy a quarter-cup though :)
Gabe I have vice grips. Since there's big head on that screw, maybe that would work? Let me know if you want to use 'em.
I have some solvents here too... Goo Gone? Lighter Fluid? Maybe some turpentine. I don't know if that's what you need?
It is a boon that they're not countersunk. Take your time, you'll be ok.
You can buy as little from a pump as you like, I bought 4c worth of gas this week, as the pump was broken, and that's all it could put out. If they're not paying attention, just put some in a jelly jar, don't worry diesel isn't flammable like gas is.
If you don't own, or can't get a grip with vise grips, try a nice pair of wire cutters, especially on those countersunk heads in non-countersunk holes, should be a piece of piss. ;)
Of course you will bollocks up the screw head, so don't do it if you want to re-use the same screws.
Those don't look to bad at all. Have you tried a screwdriver with a larger head? Sometimes people only have one size around. Maybe a #2 or #3 size? A little oil and the larger screwdriver might do it. Then if that doesn't work, dremel tool and a big flat head might do it.
I've tried a 2 and a 3, BoK. I absolutely do not want to use the same screws. It's just those two extra grimy looking bastards. Shouldn't be difficult to find replacements. Lumpy - cool, man. I'd like to give those vice grips a try. If you're heading to the space anytime between now and Tuesday, bring 'em by. Couldn't hoyt. I like the wire cutter idea, too. I have a feeling I'm going to end up doing that very thing before this is finished.
Will do.
metal dave and the EZ-out FTW
that PB Blaster is good stuff to keep around, too
two things that you'll seldom use, but you'll be glad to have them when they're called for
I go through a can of PB Blaster every few months.
if you work on cars and other rusty steel type equipment, you would never be without pb blaster. that shit is for real.
heh, i WISH i had screws in that nice of shape to remove.
ok, here is a tip from a metallurgist at a nut-n-bolt mfr(well he was my neighbor and he helped when i was having trouble taking apart my car)
after pb blaster sits for a bit. get vertical with your good quality #2 phillips and tighten the screws. yes you read correctly. they are tensioned from tightening, to break them, you can tighten them more. all you need to hear is that tick. then you go back the other way.
those arent corroded at all, a quick couple taps with a hammer on the screwdriver may also break them loose. thaat good old clear/blue handled craftsman #2 phillips screwdriver is a good one too, without getting into hi end shit like snap-on or w/e
when you go to turn the screw, put your weight into the screwdriver. stop if you get the slightest mushing of the metal
another general trick is to heat the metal plate with the screws in it, then when the whole deal is roasty, give a shot of chiller right on the screw and then go for it with the screwdriver. the screw shrinks.
or..if you know a competent motorhead, ask him to help.
Did he ever get it out?
No, he didn't.
Surely by now you'll be walking funny.
Those don't even look "rounded" bro, did you try the next sized larger Phillips?
• Lube (twss)
• Try next sized larger Phillips (I can't determine the screw size, just go next up)
• Smack the screwdriver one hard strike while penis is in puss Phillips is in screw, then downward pressure as you turn
Backup Plan, requires Dremel or hacksaw but would work perfectly judging by pic:
• Lewb
• Cut a fuckin' slot across the head (twss)
• Use a large flathead screwdriver and staaaaaa screwin' (hamina hamina hamina)
Quote• Lewb
• Cut a fuckin' slot across the head (twss)
• Use a large flathead screwdriver and staaaaaa screwin' (hamina hamina hamina)
That was an early thought I had, but the screws are recessed in a way that would make using a hacksaw impossible. A thin cutoff wheel and a mandrel to attach to a power drill might just do it.
Have you tried explosives?
1) Use gaffer's tape to secure a blockbuster to the pedal.
2) Smoke most of a cigarette, use the remainder to attach a cigarette fuse to the blockbuster's fuse.
3) Put a large metal bucket over the whole deal.
4) Stand on top.
5) Wait for it...
I was under the impression it was the two inner screws in the pic ? A hacksaw blade would be tough to navigate in/on there but a Dremel would work. An impact driver and large(r) Phillips bit would work, too.
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/BucketsOBlood/IMAG0626.jpg)
Just take the fucker apart! I just took my iron cobra down completely for a good oiling and general cleaning. Shit's easy. #2 or #3 phillips will get those fuckers outta there...
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I have used penetrating oil and every method that didn't require a tool I had to buy to get them out. It looks easy, but I swear to god those fucking things are made of caramel. Making the slots wide enough for a big flathead is next.
Quote from: Discö Rice on April 14, 2012, 07:40:21 PM
Making the slots wide enough for a big flathead is next.
The benefit of a relatively wide slot and bigass flathead is leverage...fuck them screws ! :D
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/BucketsOBlood/IMAG0628.jpg)
Haha nevermind! Success, bitches!! After soaking the shit out of it with penetrating oil I finally just got pissed, grabbed a hammer and a no.3 screwdriver and hammered the holy fuck out of it, put all my weight on it and twisted with that "i'm gonna flip over a car Hulk style" strength you reserve for opening jars in front of ladies, and voila!
Thanks for the great advice, all!
Applauded for your persistence.
Dude - that just saved me about $400. I'm elated.
awesome. tell me that isnt a hell of feeling knowing it was important not to fuck up and you won.
that whole feel of you vs the metal IS a trip, since you know failure=major heartache. it gets to be quite the game on many levels.
not all that fun either, but ijs, you vs the screw heh crazy.