yawn.....
Show me a Supergroup.
OOH! It lights up purple!!
::)
Are we sure that's not the Prince signature model?
Quote from: dunwichamps on March 21, 2012, 09:32:13 AM
yawn.....
Show me a Supergroup.
Here's one (our singer/git players):
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b106/Stickerr/P1000093.jpg)
Quote from: Volume on March 21, 2012, 09:52:23 AM
Quote from: dunwichamps on March 21, 2012, 09:32:13 AM
yawn.....
Show me a Supergroup.
Here's one (our singer/git players):
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b106/Stickerr/P1000093.jpg)
good shit right there, also the Klipp is kool 2. Now all ya need is a Ge Rangemaster
Quote from: Volume on March 21, 2012, 09:52:23 AM
Quote from: dunwichamps on March 21, 2012, 09:32:13 AM
yawn.....
Show me a Supergroup.
Here's one (our singer/git players):
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b106/Stickerr/P1000093.jpg)
I like that space echo over its shoulder.
They should put out a new vintage spec Supergroup. Think about it: they're the most respected of the amps with a Laney badge on them, there's little to no research and development to be done, people would pay a good amount for one, and I want them to.
That's four solid gold reasons, right there.
Quote from: dunwichamps on March 21, 2012, 10:12:53 AM
good shit right there, also the Klipp is kool 2. Now all ya need is a Ge Rangemaster
I actually have a DAM Red Rooster and a Klipp. ;) The Klipp is at a tech now though, waiting for a new OT.
Quote from: rayinreverse on March 21, 2012, 11:14:12 AM
I like that space echo over its shoulder.
That one's broke too, needs a new motor. :-\
Sorry for the thread hijack Hemi.
Quote from: Jake on March 21, 2012, 11:27:21 AM
They should put out a new vintage spec Supergroup. Think about it: they're the most respected of the amps with a Laney badge on them, there's little to no research and development to be done, people would pay a good amount for one, and I want them to.
That's four solid gold reasons, right there.
you could have a builder clone it, its just another version of a Superlead but according to the schematic it had a large plate voltage of 600V which is about 100-150V more than the average EL34 marshall.
the reason why laney isnt going to clone it it because it was a handwired amp and no large scale operation is going to offer a decently priced handwired amp
I'm happy with my regular GH but I imagine it's a pretty nice sounding unit.
I just got word from my tech my Klipp is working. Anyone wanna buy a Klipp? New power transformer with slightly more modern valve friendly voltage. Need to get some shiz sold because making a plan for something a bit special with Matamp.
There is a dude in the south east working on Supergroup clones, he has just had the transformers cloned.
Quote from: Mr. Foxen on March 21, 2012, 12:18:32 PM
I just got word from my tech my Klipp is working. Anyone wanna buy a Klipp? New power transformer with slightly more modern valve friendly voltage. Need to get some shiz sold because making a plan for something a bit special with Matamp.
There is a dude in the south east working on Supergroup clones, he has just had the transformers cloned.
im so tempted to buy it but shipping would eat me up and spit me out
good call on lowering that plate, fucker would eat the screens on a normal set of El34s
You are better off buying a fixer one, shipping is about £130.
Quote from: Mr. Foxen on March 21, 2012, 01:09:55 PM
You are better off buying a fixer one, shipping is about £130.
havent seen one at all tho, any working ones are price gouged
like this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Laney-Klipp-100w-BLACK-SABBATH-/300682651383?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item46021526f7
http://athensga.craigslist.org/msg/2870637877.html
I know of some going. Just need to show me the money. Before I get the money myself and commence the price gouging.
How much different is the circuit/build from a Plexi, Sound City, Bassman,Matamp etc...?
Quote from: clockwork green on March 21, 2012, 03:23:45 PM
How much different is the circuit/build from a Plexi, Sound City, Bassman,Matamp etc...?
its pretty much similar to any Superlead/Superbass but theres small differences in the tone stack component values, and say the bright caps. General circuit is a carbon copy
Its totally different than Matamps or Sound Cities.
Laney didn't cheap out ont he transformers, which makes a chunk of difference compared with Fender and Marshall.
Quote from: RacerX on March 21, 2012, 09:45:31 AM
OOH! It lights up purple!!
::)
Are we sure that's not the Prince signature model?
That would actually be kinda cool ;D
Quote from: RacerX on March 21, 2012, 09:45:31 AM
OOH! It lights up purple!!
::)
Are we sure that's not the Prince signature model?
My mate just sent me a message saying he just bought 16 pink Marshall 4x12s that were intended for some Amy Winehouse event that got cancelled for some reason. Be a good combo I reckon.
Quote from: Mr. Foxen on March 21, 2012, 04:21:41 PM
Laney didn't cheap out ont he transformers, which makes a chunk of difference compared with Fender and Marshall.
Not something the average user would understand, atleast with respect to how that affects the sound and operation.
Im suprised they had such a high plate for a single rail supply.
I hope it doesn't sound like dogshit.
Quote from: SunnO))) on March 21, 2012, 05:32:36 PM
I hope it doesn't sound like dogshit.
i wouldnt buy it
Quote from: dunwichamps on March 21, 2012, 05:33:46 PM
Quote from: SunnO))) on March 21, 2012, 05:32:36 PM
I hope it doesn't sound like dogshit.
i wouldnt buy it
I won't, I still have to buy an amp from your silly ass! ;D ;D ;D
If I were looking for a new mega-amp, I'd take a look at these. That said, I'd never look for a new mega-amp.WAYYYYYY too many knobs for me.
Yeah, I have 8 and that's pushing it.
Quote from: Mr. Foxen on March 21, 2012, 05:11:36 PM
Quote from: RacerX on March 21, 2012, 09:45:31 AM
OOH! It lights up purple!!
::)
Are we sure that's not the Prince signature model?
My mate just sent me a message saying he just bought 16 pink Marshall 4x12s that were intended for some Amy Winehouse event that got cancelled for some reason. Be a good combo I reckon.
16? man what did he have to pay for them?
Quote from: The Riffer on March 21, 2012, 08:16:33 PM
If I were looking for a new mega-amp, I'd take a look at these. That said, I'd never look for a new mega-amp.WAYYYYYY too many knobs for me.
you, a mega amp. if that happened, hell froze the fuck over
Quote from: spookstrickland on March 21, 2012, 08:35:40 PM
Quote from: Mr. Foxen on March 21, 2012, 05:11:36 PM
Quote from: RacerX on March 21, 2012, 09:45:31 AM
OOH! It lights up purple!!
::)
Are we sure that's not the Prince signature model?
My mate just sent me a message saying he just bought 16 pink Marshall 4x12s that were intended for some Amy Winehouse event that got cancelled for some reason. Be a good combo I reckon.
16? man what did he have to pay for them?
No idea, probably too much, he runs a practice space and gets over-enthused by stuff. He thinks he can sell to Amy Winehouse fans. Because obviously her fans have a desire to own massive guitar cabs.
(http://dub.greboguru.org/jake.jpg)
That handsome devil has good taste in hot magenta British thunder.
Quote from: Mr. Foxen on March 21, 2012, 05:11:36 PM
My mate just sent me a message saying he just bought 16 pink Marshall 4x12s that were intended for some Amy Winehouse event that got cancelled for some reason. Be a good combo I reckon.
LOL "some reason"
She's fucking dead, perhaps?
I want those cabs...
Quote from: dunwichamps on March 21, 2012, 09:32:13 AM
yawn.....
Show me a Supergroup.
His tone sounded GODLY when i saw Heaven and Hell with his last Laney signature amps in the backline - I wouldn't just dismiss it out of hand
Quote from: mawso on March 22, 2012, 03:44:26 AM
Quote from: dunwichamps on March 21, 2012, 09:32:13 AM
yawn.....
Show me a Supergroup.
His tone sounded GODLY when i saw Heaven and Hell with his last Laney signature amps in the backline - I wouldn't just dismiss it out of hand
Did the last Dio/Sab album sound as good as Masters of Reality? Another thing to consider is that he could probably play any amp and it would sound good, cuz its Iommi.
But I really dismissing it because its probably a bunch of stacked pcbs with marginal components, nothing I could replicate using turrets and improved build quality and parts. I could be wrong, if someone with a new laney with tech experience could show me that they are well built then id retract that statement
I am going to approach it differently than the average user. For the sticker tag that I would pay on an all pcb signature amp I could build an amp with top of the line components, handwired. An old amp like the Supergroups or the Klipps can be teched easy, its all handwired, the iron was well designed, sockets on the chassis, ect ect.
Quote from: Jake on March 21, 2012, 10:13:07 PM
That handsome devil has good taste in hot magenta British thunder.
Why do I have this pic btw? I think it's from rhe old board.
Quote from: Hemisaurus on March 21, 2012, 07:25:38 PM
'nother one
- I use my ears, rather than a badge, or an online opinion, when selecting gear (this one is worse than saying solid-state is OK
Quote from: dunwichamps on March 22, 2012, 09:20:09 AM
Quote from: mawso on March 22, 2012, 03:44:26 AM
Quote from: dunwichamps on March 21, 2012, 09:32:13 AM
yawn.....
Show me a Supergroup.
His tone sounded GODLY when i saw Heaven and Hell with his last Laney signature amps in the backline - I wouldn't just dismiss it out of hand
Did the last Dio/Sab album sound as good as Masters of Reality? Another thing to consider is that he could probably play any amp and it would sound good, cuz its Iommi.
But I really dismissing it because its probably a bunch of stacked pcbs with marginal components, nothing I could replicate using turrets and improved build quality and parts. I could be wrong, if someone with a new laney with tech experience could show me that they are well built then id retract that statement
I am going to approach it differently than the average user. For the sticker tag that I would pay on an all pcb signature amp I could build an amp with top of the line components, handwired. An old amp like the Supergroups or the Klipps can be teched easy, its all handwired, the iron was well designed, sockets on the chassis, ect ect.
Quote from: dunwichamps on March 22, 2012, 09:20:09 AM
Quote from: mawso on March 22, 2012, 03:44:26 AM
Quote from: dunwichamps on March 21, 2012, 09:32:13 AM
yawn.....
Show me a Supergroup.
His tone sounded GODLY when i saw Heaven and Hell with his last Laney signature amps in the backline - I wouldn't just dismiss it out of hand
Did the last Dio/Sab album sound as good as Masters of Reality? Another thing to consider is that he could probably play any amp and it would sound good, cuz its Iommi.
But I really dismissing it because its probably a bunch of stacked pcbs with marginal components, nothing I could replicate using turrets and improved build quality and parts. I could be wrong, if someone with a new laney with tech experience could show me that they are well built then id retract that statement
I am going to approach it differently than the average user. For the sticker tag that I would pay on an all pcb signature amp I could build an amp with top of the line components, handwired. An old amp like the Supergroups or the Klipps can be teched easy, its all handwired, the iron was well designed, sockets on the chassis, ect ect.
I loved the last Dio/sab album. Comparing it to Master of Reality is silly I think. I mean it's a very different band playing some very different sorts of songs. I don't the the MoR style production would have worked very well at all for songs like Rock And Roll Angel.
i agree much different era but tone is tone. my point is i think the tone on MoR is much better than the latest Dio/Sab album, and thats why (amongst a few other reasons) id prefer a vintage laney supergroup over the latest iommi sig
Quote from: dunwichamps on March 22, 2012, 11:44:46 AM
i agree much different era but tone is tone. my point is i think the tone on MoR is much better than the latest Dio/Sab album, and thats why (amongst a few other reasons) id prefer a vintage laney supergroup over the latest iommi sig
Because there's no such thing as production, and idiots who like to scoop EQ?
Quote from: Hemisaurus on March 22, 2012, 02:50:44 PM
Quote from: dunwichamps on March 22, 2012, 11:44:46 AM
i agree much different era but tone is tone. my point is i think the tone on MoR is much better than the latest Dio/Sab album, and thats why (amongst a few other reasons) id prefer a vintage laney supergroup over the latest iommi sig
Because there's no such thing as production, and idiots who like to scoop EQ?
hmm?
Wow, you can't figure that statement out with all your school learning? Must be my accent ;)
Quote from: Hemisaurus on March 22, 2012, 03:32:09 PM
Wow, you can't figure that statement out with all your school learning? Must be my accent ;)
I cant figure it out really, cant tell if your taking me to task or not. oh well. I am opinionated about the subject of amps, maybe i am being a dick.
IDK, I dig Iommi's modern tones. If this amp gets there, I'm down with it. Someone other than Tony will be able to make it sound good.
if someone likes it, then no worries. the new sound is a thing all of its own, has more gain than the old stuff but thats to be expected since the modern hi gain sound didnt exist back then. When I think Iommi I think the old sound, and thats why id go that way plus I GAS over old gear. I actually used to own the older Laney Iommi sig, single channel amp like 6 years ago or so, not a bad sounding amp but nothing that I thought was killer.
Quote from: dunwichamps on March 22, 2012, 03:38:46 PM
Quote from: Hemisaurus on March 22, 2012, 03:32:09 PM
Wow, you can't figure that statement out with all your school learning? Must be my accent ;)
I cant figure it out really, cant tell if your taking me to task or not. oh well. I am opinionated about the subject of amps, maybe i am being a dick.
Nah, just teasing you gently ;)
I'm surprised none of the Tape-Op brethren jumped in, basically I'm saying you can't rely on a studio recording to give an accurate comparison of amp sounds, the amp is only 3% (statistic courtesey Scott Solter) of the sound, there's mic selection, mic position, EQ, any studio FX added, mixing, mastering, overdubbing, recording medium, etc. Major label production taste has changed since the 70's, so even if Iommi was using the exact same rig, it might sound totally different on the studio recording
BUT much the same live. Ya dig ;)
Quote from: Hemisaurus on March 22, 2012, 08:01:37 PM
Quote from: dunwichamps on March 22, 2012, 03:38:46 PM
Quote from: Hemisaurus on March 22, 2012, 03:32:09 PM
Wow, you can't figure that statement out with all your school learning? Must be my accent ;)
I cant figure it out really, cant tell if your taking me to task or not. oh well. I am opinionated about the subject of amps, maybe i am being a dick.
Nah, just teasing you gently ;)
I'm surprised none of the Tape-Op brethren jumped in, basically I'm saying you can't rely on a studio recording to give an accurate comparison of amp sounds, the amp is only 3% (statistic courtesey Scott Solter) of the sound, there's mic selection, mic position, EQ, any studio FX added, mixing, mastering, overdubbing, recording medium, etc. Major label production taste has changed since the 70's, so even if Iommi was using the exact same rig, it might sound totally different on the studio recording BUT much the same live. Ya dig ;)
that point probably can be underscored enough. Sure that some of my love/GAS is that era sound and the Supergroup was just a part of it. I was being tough on the new sig amp for sure, but I wouldnt gloat over it just because he stuck his name on it. Im fairly biased so take what I say with some salt, or tell me to go fuck haha
I have even weirder Sabbath tastes, so I keep my mind open ;D
QuoteIm fairly biased so take what I say with some salt, or tell me to go fuck haha
Are you biased hot or cold? Perhaps you're fixed bias.
Quote from: RacerX on March 22, 2012, 08:13:34 PM
QuoteIm fairly biased so take what I say with some salt, or tell me to go fuck haha
Are you biased hot or cold? Perhaps you're fixed bias.
ba dum cha
snare drum and crash fall off roof
im usually 60-65% biased
Iommi's Sabbath tone live in the mid '00s was mega high gain metal like with loads of treble and after a few songs I was convinced it was the heaviest thing I had ever heard. I was drunk and stoned though. And hearing and watching God play the best music ever written.
That new amp look is great for Iommi but too tacky for mere mortals.
Quote from: dunwichamps on March 22, 2012, 03:21:53 PM
Quote from: Hemisaurus on March 22, 2012, 02:50:44 PM
Quote from: dunwichamps on March 22, 2012, 11:44:46 AM
i agree much different era but tone is tone. my point is i think the tone on MoR is much better than the latest Dio/Sab album, and thats why (amongst a few other reasons) id prefer a vintage laney supergroup over the latest iommi sig
Because there's no such thing as production, and idiots who like to scoop EQ?
hmm?
He's saying that there is a lot more to recorded tone than just the intrument & amp - and he's right.
MoR is rightly a classic, but I can't see that kind of production working to great effect on Devil You Know - just like it wouldn't have been right on an Elvis Presley album
Quote from: liquidsmoke on March 23, 2012, 12:21:46 AM
Iommi's Sabbath tone live in the mid '00s was mega high gain metal like with loads of treble and after a few songs I was convinced it was the heaviest thing I had ever heard. I was drunk and stoned though. And hearing and watching God play the best music ever written.
That new amp look is great for Iommi but too tacky for mere mortals.
I kinda feel the look is a bit too much. Over the top.
Quote from: SoupKitchen on March 23, 2012, 08:02:39 AM
Quote from: dunwichamps on March 22, 2012, 08:40:19 PM
[im usually 60-65% biased
Sounds a little cold.
biased for longer life and headroom, 70% is considered max so im pretty close without risking redplatting
Quote from: Orthodox Caveman on March 23, 2012, 09:57:56 AM
I kinda feel the look is a bit too much. Over the top.
Exactly but I think for him it's the boss hoss for sure.