What's your fantasy amp? By that I mean something that doesn't actually exist that you wish you had. Merge aspects of multiple amps, add or subtract features, different output power, whatever.
I'd love to have the tone of my 1970 Traynor YBA-1, but with some more modern features. A power section with 4 EL34's (has 2 as is) and a power scaling feature to run at full, half or quarter power, with switchable impedance, a DI out and built in fans (right now I have a DIY one made out of a PC fan and a cell phone charger stuck in w/ velcro). That way I could practice and record at home with a smaller cab, without shaking the dishes out of the cupboards, and I'd have some flexibility to use multiple cab configurations when gigging. I honestly don't need twice the wattage, the YBA-1 is pretty damn loud through my Ampeg 810e when gigging, but it's always nice to have a little extra juice if you need it.
i still thinks its a 200W GT120 based amp, with the right amount of amp gain. Got one cooking up as we speak
This thread is tailor made for you Nick, because you can actually make whatever you dream up! ;)
yea i could build your dream amp. Snap, 1400-1700
I have also already snagged up some great amps 2, a V4 and a SC120
59 fender deluxe on one channel, marshall 18 watt on the other. vairable .5-100 watts, tremolo, reverb, fits in my pocket like a credit card and is free.
everything up to fits in my pocket and free is doable. However those 18Ws sound the way to they because of the power amp and phase inverter setup.
6550 based ultralinear 200watter with pre/post gain, bass/mid/treble controls. 2/4/8/16 taps for impedance. That's it. Monster clean power. Simple as possible, 100% user servicable.
Quote from: SunnO))) on February 13, 2012, 02:58:00 PM
6550 based ultralinear 200watter with pre/post gain, bass/mid/treble controls. 2/4/8/16 taps for impedance. That's it. Monster clean power. Simple as possible, 100% user servicable.
nice, get a built in DMM
Sounds pretty close to a Weber AB200, although I'm pretty sure they use KT88's instead of 6550's. Given how many people go crazy for preamps and pedals I'm surprised there aren't more just high powered clean tube amps out there, optimized as a platform for pedalboard junkies.
the ab200 probably runs closer to 250-300W with 6 Kt88s at 550-600 plate volts so idk y they called it ab200. hehe
You need a good driver setup if you wanna run mondo power in the output section, like a DC coupled grid leaks so you can run the amp into AB2 (ie grid conduction). This is done on the SVTs, and the AB200 and on 1 of my upcoming super clean pedal players amps and on the my 200W GT120 style build
300 tube watts and an 8x10, no logos on anything, sounds like an ultralinear Super Six, takes pedals very well, looks old, reverb, vibrato, functions well with guitar or bass. under $500.
Quote from: Discö Rice on February 13, 2012, 03:08:56 PM
300 tube watts and an 8x10, no logos on anything, sounds like an ultralinear Super Six, takes pedals very well, looks old, reverb, vibrato, functions well with guitar or bass. under $500.
thats a kool idea, like super mondo Fender, would be nice with harmonic vibrato and verb, 6 x Kt88s in UL. Maybe a clean preamp one side with a bass centered bax stack out of an SVT and the other a traditional fender channel cascading into 6v6 driven reverb and harmonic vibarto.
the only kicker on that would be controlling LFO in the verb circuit when u slam the volume
500 bucks lol. thats a true fantasy figure there
Quote from: Discö Rice on February 13, 2012, 03:08:56 PM
under $500.
True spirit of the thread there...THAT is a fantasy. We can always dream.
I wonder what something like a 50-100w Fender Champ head would sound like. No pre-gain, no EQ, just a volume knob.
Quote from: Corey Y on February 13, 2012, 03:19:29 PM
I wonder what something like a 50-100w Fender Champ head would sound like. No pre-gain, no EQ, just a volume knob.
single knob?
800-1200 depending upon setup
the champ is SE i assume you would convert to a Fender Tweed phase inverter with 2 -4 El34s/6l6s
How does that work exactly? Do combo amps like Champs have a fixed tone stack or just no tone stack? Apart from power obviously, assuming they weren't dimed, would something like Princeton sound similar to a Champ if you just kept the knobs at noon?
I should just re-title this thread "Hey Nick..." :P
Quote from: dunwichamps on February 13, 2012, 03:11:58 PM
Quote from: Discö Rice on February 13, 2012, 03:08:56 PM
300 tube watts and an 8x10, no logos on anything, sounds like an ultralinear Super Six, takes pedals very well, looks old, reverb, vibrato, functions well with guitar or bass. under $500.
thats a kool idea, like super mondo Fender, would be nice with harmonic vibrato and verb, 6 x Kt88s in UL. Maybe a clean preamp one side with a bass centered bax stack out of an SVT and the other a traditional fender channel cascading into 6v6 driven reverb and harmonic vibarto.
the only kicker on that would be controlling LFO in the verb circuit when u slam the volume
500 bucks lol. thats a true fantasy figure there
Yeah, well... price is why I don't have one. Honestly I'd feel crappy looking at an enormously expensive amp in my rig. If I come into some money, though, it's on the list.
Quote from: Corey Y on February 13, 2012, 03:25:48 PM
How does that work exactly? Do combo amps like Champs have a fixed tone stack or just no tone stack? Apart from power obviously, assuming they weren't dimed, would something like Princeton sound similar to a Champ if you just kept the knobs at noon?
I should just re-title this thread "Hey Nick..." :P
champ is probably the simplest amp, 2 cascaded gain stages, a single volume, into a SE 6v6. Nothing is as raw but the closest thing would be a Tweed Deluxe, that has just a single tone control, 2 volumes, for the individual inputs. If you need over 8W then a push pull amp is needed so a phase inverter is needed so something like a Tweed phase inverter works with the addition of just one more gain stages in front of it that would be like a Champ/Tweed mix up
sorry your playing to my vanity....
Quote from: Discö Rice on February 13, 2012, 03:28:13 PM
Quote from: dunwichamps on February 13, 2012, 03:11:58 PM
Quote from: Discö Rice on February 13, 2012, 03:08:56 PM
300 tube watts and an 8x10, no logos on anything, sounds like an ultralinear Super Six, takes pedals very well, looks old, reverb, vibrato, functions well with guitar or bass. under $500.
thats a kool idea, like super mondo Fender, would be nice with harmonic vibrato and verb, 6 x Kt88s in UL. Maybe a clean preamp one side with a bass centered bax stack out of an SVT and the other a traditional fender channel cascading into 6v6 driven reverb and harmonic vibarto.
the only kicker on that would be controlling LFO in the verb circuit when u slam the volume
500 bucks lol. thats a true fantasy figure there
Yeah, well... price is why I don't have one. Honestly I'd feel crappy looking at an enormously expensive amp in my rig. If I come into some money, though, it's on the list.
your idea is really interesting. Thats like a beast of an amp, like a true Sunn fucked a loud Fender from the early 60s.
Quote from: dunwichamps on February 13, 2012, 03:30:03 PM
If you need over 8W then a push pull amp is needed so a phase inverter is needed so something like a Tweed phase inverter works with the addition of just one more gain stages in front of it that would be like a Champ/Tweed mix up
sorry your playing to my vanity....
I'm building a 20watt SE kt88 amp.
Quote from: inductorguitars on February 13, 2012, 03:38:42 PM
Quote from: dunwichamps on February 13, 2012, 03:30:03 PM
If you need over 8W then a push pull amp is needed so a phase inverter is needed so something like a Tweed phase inverter works with the addition of just one more gain stages in front of it that would be like a Champ/Tweed mix up
sorry your playing to my vanity....
I'm building a 20watt SE kt88 amp.
yea i know u can // the tubes up to get more power but with the same tube compliment i could pull 60W in PP.
Uhm, maybe a Marshall Super Lead. Or another SUNN.
It's a slow, rainy Monday and everyone else in the office is out sick. So I'm in daydream overdrive. I also had half a pot of coffee to myself.
The one knob amp thing plays to my deeply seeded utilitarian tendencies. Along with my suggestion that bands just be issued numbers or bar codes instead of coming up with dumb names or my rant to my wife about what a waste of real estate and resources front lawns.
So yeah...a big black box with one knob on the front would do the trick for me. As long as it sounded good, obviously. I could do a lot of tone shaping between playing style, instrument and pedals. I pretty much leave my YBA-1 with all knobs at noon except the volume.
Quote from: dunwichamps on February 13, 2012, 03:33:01 PM
Quote from: Discö Rice on February 13, 2012, 03:28:13 PM
Quote from: dunwichamps on February 13, 2012, 03:11:58 PM
Quote from: Discö Rice on February 13, 2012, 03:08:56 PM
300 tube watts and an 8x10, no logos on anything, sounds like an ultralinear Super Six, takes pedals very well, looks old, reverb, vibrato, functions well with guitar or bass. under $500.
thats a kool idea, like super mondo Fender, would be nice with harmonic vibrato and verb, 6 x Kt88s in UL. Maybe a clean preamp one side with a bass centered bax stack out of an SVT and the other a traditional fender channel cascading into 6v6 driven reverb and harmonic vibarto.
the only kicker on that would be controlling LFO in the verb circuit when u slam the volume
500 bucks lol. thats a true fantasy figure there
Yeah, well... price is why I don't have one. Honestly I'd feel crappy looking at an enormously expensive amp in my rig. If I come into some money, though, it's on the list.
your idea is really interesting. Thats like a beast of an amp, like a true Sunn fucked a loud Fender from the early 60s.
Thanks! Just so I know what to mope about - what would you charge for a beastie like that?
something thats 6 x Kt88 in nature is going to be push 2-2.3k given the nature of the transformer cost. you could shrink that cost down with say a 4 x Kt88 setup would be 1.8k-2k
A head with good-sounding spring reverb that isn't taller than it is deep. Maybe something with a 6G6 Bassman front-end, but the cathode follower would feed a Bax stack. AC-coupled long-tailed pair and four EL34s running ultralinear with cathode bias, say 65 watts...and Fender three-tube harmonic vibrato...and pentode-driven reverb a la Fender 6G15...in a sidechain (parallel to the preamp).
Nick, when you say "tweed phase inverter", I assume you're talking cathodyne? Since the majority of tweed Fender amps had those and the LTP came in at the very end...
yea the Tweeds had ac coupled cathodyne phase inverters, where the LTPs came in on those bassmans later on I believe.
"Fender three-tube harmonic vibrato...and pentode-driven reverb a la Fender 6G15"
that what I had in mind for Disco's request, the harmonic vibrato can also be done with 2 tubes as well.
also driving a bax with a CF does not help the circuit much, the losses arent improved which kinda sucks
I've always wanted another head for dedicated cleans and stompboxes, but I cant justify it these days as I'm not actively jamming.
The old Hiwatts still call me more than anything else. Great cleans and can still get some growl when needed.
It doesn't want to imbed, but this is probably my favorite gear demo of all time. Although, I would generally prefer the 103 model for added headroom.
http://www.youtube.com/user/tubetoneRU#p/search/0/RJFtW2PlT4o
(Subtitles are available)
yea lots of love for those old DR model hiwatts, military grade construction. that kind of build quality always a good inspiration for me.
I had a DR504 for a few years, it was a great amp. It took pedals fantastically, although the tone was so good I just used the amp by itself most of the time. It sounded very similar to my JCM800, which was why I got rid of it. Although I got rid of the 800 as well, not long after. I still have my VTM though, which gets in the ballpark of the tone I liked from both, with a lot more effort for a lot less money. It is balls for pedals though, does not like them one bit.
I am very on board with the idea of a pedal platform amp. Just no frills, clean power, passive tone shaping. My Sound City B120 was that amp for me on guitar for a long while, but it's pretty bright sounding and the active EQ makes it really touchy dialing things in. It was good if I had one dirt pedal (or a combination of a couple) for a locked in, always on sound, after spending the time to perfect the settings. It's my bass backup ATM, even though it's still a bit too bright for that as well. I can't bring myself to get rid of it though.
Quote from: Corey Y on February 13, 2012, 05:23:02 PM
I had a DR504 for a few years, it was a great amp. It took pedals fantastically, although the tone was so good I just used the amp by itself most of the time. It sounded very similar to my JCM800, which was why I got rid of it. Although I got rid of the 800 as well, not long after. I still have my VTM though, which gets in the ballpark of the tone I liked from both, with a lot more effort for a lot less money. It is balls for pedals though, does not like them one bit.
I am very on board with the idea of a pedal platform amp. Just no frills, clean power, passive tone shaping. My Sound City B120 was that amp for me on guitar for a long while, but it's pretty bright sounding and the active EQ makes it really touchy dialing things in. It was good if I had one dirt pedal (or a combination of a couple) for a locked in, always on sound, after spending the time to perfect the settings. It's my bass backup ATM, even though it's still a bit too bright for that as well. I can't bring myself to get rid of it though.
easy to make it not so bright really. Probably change a coupling cap
Is it something I could do without potentially killing myself? That's a question I need to ask whenever anything related to amp modifications comes up.
To be fair it's a goal I keep in mind with pretty much anything, really.
You gotta make sure the amp is all drained of voltage, which you can do but need to be careful about. Then you would solder and remove 1nF coupling cap on the brilliant channel and replace it with a 400-630V rated coupling cap of higher value, the normal channel uses a 22nF so if you wanna remain under that value but more bass use 6.8nF to 10nF or you could go balls out and use something up to 68nF if you want but that could get woofy/blocking
Should probably bear in mind that all controls nooned is pretty rarely flat on a valve amp. Clean boost into reverb return will do it though.
Swapping out components in an SC120 is easy, solder sucker and reasonable iron an its pretty much a joy. Turrets are lovely.
I'll keep that in mind Nick, thanks for the suggestion.
Quote from: Corey Y on February 13, 2012, 05:54:12 PM
I'll keep that in mind Nick, thanks for the suggestion.
it going to beef up the low end in the brilliant channel, it will not be as bright, you can always shunt some treble to ground if you want
If I do mess with it, it probably won't be for a while. I hardly ever play it and I've got a big project taking up most of my free time right now. If I do get around to having the time (and guts) to do I will probably pick your brain about it again.
Quote from: Corey Y on February 13, 2012, 05:59:51 PM
If I do mess with it, it probably won't be for a while. I hardly ever play it and I've got a big project taking up most of my free time right now. If I do get around to having the time (and guts) to do I will probably pick your brain about it again.
as always I am here. I actually have to rework and convert the SC120R I picked up to SC120R spec. Probably will redo some of the boards, ground scheme, add shielded cable in there.
I want an amp with a half power switch that gives BJs and does the dishes.
Force choking anyone that plugs into it without asking would be a nice option. Changing amps every practice/gig is one of my favourite things to a single ultimate amp wouldn't really work.
Quote from: Mr. Foxen on February 13, 2012, 06:41:43 PM
Force choking anyone that plugs into it without asking would be a nice option.
I could work up some sort of spring loaded blade apparatus or a pepper spray delivery system with a key operated safety. Maybe go old school with a trapdoor/tiger pit set up, if you don't mind bringing your own stage...and a stack of waivers.
Quote from: Jake on February 13, 2012, 06:37:15 PM
I want an amp with a half power switch that gives BJs and does the dishes.
Jake, you sir, are a genius.
Quote from: Corey Y on February 13, 2012, 06:51:44 PM
Quote from: Mr. Foxen on February 13, 2012, 06:41:43 PM
Force choking anyone that plugs into it without asking would be a nice option.
I could work up some sort of spring loaded blade apparatus or a pepper spray delivery system with a key operated safety. Maybe go old school with a trapdoor/tiger pit set up, if you don't mind bringing your own stage...and a stack of waivers.
The Force aprt breaks chain of causation and makes all that much simpler.
Quote from: dunwichamps on February 13, 2012, 05:01:39 PM
yea lots of love for those old DR model hiwatts, military grade construction. that kind of build quality always a good inspiration for me.
So I was checking out the schematics for the DR504. (http://www.pinktones.net/psst/DR504OL.gif)
What is the second half of V4 doing?
low impedance DC bias point for the LPTI to operate.
Can I get a plexi-etched set of jugs on my amp, Nick?
Quote from: SunnO))) on February 13, 2012, 09:10:22 PM
Can I get a plexi-etched set of jugs on my amp, Nick?
yes, how big do you want the areolas? Or would you rather have 2% milk on there?
Oh, Man. Let me pay off my credit card, Nick. No shit. Have you started the hundred watters, yet? Simple as possible is what I want, which I guess... means the base model. haha.
Quote from: SunnO))) on February 13, 2012, 09:15:48 PM
Oh, Man. Let me pay off my credit card, Nick. No shit. Have you started the hundred watters, yet? Simple as possible is what I want, which I guess... means the base model. haha.
I already built 50-120W, onto 200W soon
Build order is loonnnnggg tho.
It'll be a proper minute, I'm still shit-poor from my Model T/Guild/handguns/ammo. I finally broke, after having the card for two years with zero balance on it, and bought everything I wanted at once. It's back down from two grand, at about 1200 bucks... Chovie D is disappoint with me.
Quote from: SunnO))) on February 13, 2012, 09:19:24 PM
It'll be a proper minute, I'm still shit-poor from my Model T/Guild/handguns/ammo. I finally broke, after having the card for two years with zero balance on it, and bought everything I wanted at once. It's back down from two grand, at about 1200 bucks... Chovie D is disappoint with me.
okay well u let me know what u want
Currently, a hug, later on this month, some tubes. Then another hug.
Quote from: SunnO))) on February 13, 2012, 09:21:20 PM
Currently, a hug, later on this month, some tubes. Then another hug.
sure i can get u that buy one tubes.
hugs, well sure for u i can
Probs a 50watt JCM800, but I'd like to try one of those Electric Power Units. One less thing to fuck around with.
2204 is a nice circuit, I dont know the exact power unit schematic but I do know the MV-120 schematic
Quote from: dunwichamps on February 13, 2012, 09:04:21 PM
low impedance DC bias point for the LPTI to operate.
Wow never knew about the controversy on this little tube.
edit: The schematic on Hiwatt's site shows signal.
Mystery mojo indeed.
Quote from: inductorguitars on February 14, 2012, 01:30:56 PM
Quote from: dunwichamps on February 13, 2012, 09:04:21 PM
low impedance DC bias point for the LPTI to operate.
Wow never knew about the controversy on this little tube.
edit: The schematic on Hiwatt's site shows signal.
Mystery mojo indeed.
there are like half a dozen different DR models with different setups on the phase inverter, how it is biased, how the follower works to bias the stage, ect ect. All of them are quite elaborate compared to the usual AC coupled Marshall/Fender LTPI and even more elaborate than my own DC coupled long tail pairs
200W, 6550 power section, gain, master, bass middle treble for the eq. Maybe a mid shift switch or a filter control of sorts. Ability to slave to a power amp. Not a back breaker or a bank breaker.
Quote from: bloodofkings on February 14, 2012, 02:31:26 PM
200W, 6550 power section, gain, master, bass middle treble for the eq. Maybe a mid shift switch or a filter control of sorts. Ability to slave to a power amp. Not a back breaker or a bank breaker.
sounds like a 200W Ampeg V series amp
Voiced a little more for bass but yeah.
Edit*
Seems hard now days to find a bass amp with no horseshit. No graphic eq limiters no weird crunch feature that sounds like turds. Only thing close is an Orange AD200B but $2,400 makes it cost prohibitive.
orange or120 style pre amp with an FAC that is switchabe to be before the gain stage, or after. a singe tone knob in the EQ section that can be defeated, and a pre and master volume. i think it would be simple and effective.
Quote from: bloodofkings on February 14, 2012, 02:47:13 PM
Voiced a little more for bass but yeah.
Edit*
Seems hard now days to find a bass amp with no horseshit. No graphic eq limiters no weird crunch feature that sounds like turds. Only thing close is an Orange AD200B but $2,400 makes it cost prohibitive.
4 x 6550 or Kt88s running 200W would be like a 2-2.2k kinda thing for me
Quote from: justinhedrick on February 14, 2012, 03:02:39 PM
orange or120 style pre amp with an FAC that is switchabe to be before the gain stage, or after. a singe tone knob in the EQ section that can be defeated, and a pre and master volume. i think it would be simple and effective.
post 1st stage to post 2nd stage FAC or pre 1st stage post first stage FAC?
Single knob Bax with defeat, gain and master?
Well from you and seeing the quality in what you build that price doesn't bother me all that much. There's a blood sweat and tears factor in what you're building as opposed to what Orange is outsourcing and charging even more for now. I'd be more inclined to fork $2,000 to you before I'd drop that cash on an Orange.
Quote from: bloodofkings on February 14, 2012, 03:09:15 PM
Well from you and seeing the quality in what you build that price doesn't bother me all that much. There's a blood sweat and tears factor in what you're building as opposed to what Orange is outsourcing and charging even more for now. I'd be more inclined to fork $2,000 to you before I'd drop that cash on an Orange.
thanks
plus u get all the custom tweaks you want i guess thats also alluring
Quote from: dunwichamps on February 14, 2012, 03:06:53 PM
Quote from: justinhedrick on February 14, 2012, 03:02:39 PM
orange or120 style pre amp with an FAC that is switchabe to be before the gain stage, or after. a singe tone knob in the EQ section that can be defeated, and a pre and master volume. i think it would be simple and effective.
post 1st stage to post 2nd stage FAC or pre 1st stage post first stage FAC?
Single knob Bax with defeat, gain and master?
wow, if it could be switchable between the 3 that would be cool! and i don't know if it would be a single bax eq, i'm not sure how that would work? i was thinking more of a tone knob like on the older low wattage amps.
can it be done?
Well it all depends on where you stick the EQ
Matamp style or Orange style
the GT120s run the bax after the 2nd stage while OR120s are after first stage. Putting the FAC b4 the EQ is redundant because the EQ can control bass if u want. So in an Orange they put the FAC on post stage 2 and in Matamp its post 1st stage because the bax is after stage 2
IMO, I would do pre and post stage 1, with a Matamp style location of the EQ.
One knob Bax is easy, you do a dual 1M log pot. then when you turn it right of 12 oclock, bass and treble go up and left of right is bass and treble down. Then add in a phase switch so you can get the other option, turn up and bass goes up and treble goes down and turn down and bass goes down and treble goes up. All on one knob, with a single switch
You could run Gain, Pre and Post Phase Master Volumes
Quote from: dunwichamps on February 14, 2012, 03:50:37 PM
Well it all depends on where you stick the EQ
Matamp style or Orange style
the GT120s run the bax after the 2nd stage while OR120s are after first stage. Putting the FAC b4 the EQ is redundant because the EQ can control bass if u want. So in an Orange they put the FAC on post stage 2 and in Matamp its post 1st stage because the bax is after stage 2
IMO, I would do pre and post stage 1, with a Matamp style location of the EQ.
One knob Bax is easy, you do a dual 1M log pot. then when you turn it right of 12 oclock, bass and treble go up and left of right is bass and treble down. Then add in a phase switch so you can get the other option, turn up and bass goes up and treble goes down and turn down and bass goes down and treble goes up. All on one knob, with a single switch
You could run Gain, Pre and Post Phase Master Volumes
nick, that is my dream amp.
thats like an extremely condensed Or/Mat 120, 3 controls, 1 switch.
Probably would be in the 1400-1600 range given the output power
Can I rip that idea for the pre of this 2 KT88 thing I have to sort a pre for?
Quote from: Mr. Foxen on February 14, 2012, 04:22:50 PM
Can I rip that idea for the pre of this 2 KT88 thing I have to sort a pre for?
yea no problem if u need a detailed idea of it just email me
Quote from: dunwichamps on February 14, 2012, 04:17:25 PM
thats like an extremely condensed Or/Mat 120, 3 controls, 1 switch.
Probably would be in the 1400-1600 range given the output power
cool! i count 4 knobs though. how exactly woud the EQ knob work? i had a dream about this weeks ago, but then talked myself into thinking that it couldn't work!
oh oops
well
Gain, FAC, EQ, Master, which could be pre and post master but then its 5 if u do both pre and post
the EQ knob looks just like an single knob EQ the magic is on the inside where u get two synchronized but independent 1M pots
this is a picture of it
(http://media.digikey.com/Photos/Precision%20Elec%20Comp%20Photos/KKA1051S28.jpg)
awesome.
so could you just use the same cap values for the the eq in a standard bax circuit?
I usually use the same ones as a GT120 or also some of the OR120s so yes
Nick, have you got a legible GT120 schematic I could have a look at?
check this thread
http://music-electronics-forum.com/t26551/
A giant 100-150 watt Tweed Deluxe would be awesome. I'd also love to see something with the lowend of a Matamp with the mid's and dynamics of a Trainwreck.
Quote from: clockwork green on February 15, 2012, 12:45:32 PM
A giant 100-150 watt Tweed Deluxe would be awesome. I'd also love to see something with the lowend of a Matamp with the mid's and dynamics of a Trainwreck.
100W deluxe, super simple, super loud.
Quote from: clockwork green on February 15, 2012, 12:45:32 PM
A giant 100-150 watt Tweed Deluxe would be awesome. I'd also love to see something with the lowend of a Matamp with the mid's and dynamics of a Trainwreck.
I was just looking at the 5e3 schematics earlier today. I think that will be my next build but with swappable 6v6's & 6L6's.
I don't really fantasize about amps but a Blond 1963 Fender Showman would be cool I suppose. A V4 that doesn't weigh a ton would be great.
Quote from: neighbor664 on February 15, 2012, 03:34:33 PM
A V4 that doesn't weigh a ton would be great.
true miracle
Quote from: dunwichamps on February 15, 2012, 03:37:17 PM
Quote from: neighbor664 on February 15, 2012, 03:34:33 PM
A V4 that doesn't weigh a ton would be great.
true miracle
indeed. i swear i've carried one that weighs as much as a twin.
my is a metric fuck ton, but thats cuz they used huge iron in that amp. Oversized, large bandwidth stuff by the looks of it.
Quote from: dunwichamps on February 15, 2012, 10:03:06 AM
check this thread
http://music-electronics-forum.com/t26551/
Cheers dude.
Basically a Laney GH50L with reverb, a bit more gain(just in case), and true crankable clean all times 2 for 2 channels. That would be the perfect amp for me at this point. I'm not even sure I would ever use the extra gain or use it purely clean. So for now the stock GH I have is fine. The gain on this sucker is perfect for the type of metal I play and it's a really awesome sounding gain, it's not muddy yet it's not overly crisp either. Turn off the high gain and it's a rock machine and very non-master volume to JCM800 Marshall sounding.
Laney makes a couple amps that seem to be close to what I'm talking about here but I've never played them.
i have a 1997 svt that i absolutely love for geetar.........
so a hand wired version(no pcb) of this with a 8 ohm output would make me a happy camper
Quote from: peyotepeddler on February 16, 2012, 12:49:16 PM
i have a 1997 svt that i absolutely love for geetar.........
so a hand wired version(no pcb) of this with a 8 ohm output would make me a happy camper
is it a reissue of the old SVT 6x6550 amp?
Quote from: dunwichamps on February 16, 2012, 12:50:30 PM
Quote from: peyotepeddler on February 16, 2012, 12:49:16 PM
i have a 1997 svt that i absolutely love for geetar.........
so a hand wired version(no pcb) of this with a 8 ohm output would make me a happy camper
is it a reissue of the old SVT 6x6550 amp?
not quite, its called a svt "classic", but is a bit different, a few less preamp tubes
I didn't love the preamp section but I really liked the power amp on that Fender Prosonic head that you could switch between a bunch of modes. Tube rectified class A, tube rectified class A/B and solid state class A/B... or labeled something similar.
It was a cool idea to be able to leave the front end set and then get a bunch of variations of tone from the power section. Would be great with a Matamp front end.
"fantasy amp" means something that doesn't actually exist, right?
cos I really really really like the Bogner Uberschall
but i have no use for a clean channel - i prefer to just use the volume knob - and 100 watts is silly
I'd buy the shit out of a 50 watt single channel uberschall amp, for sure
(http://www.zeobrothers.com/img/inventory/aguilar/DB-751.jpg)
and/or
(http://www.reevesamps.com/assets/amps/custom225/large2.jpg)
Matamp/Orange design for bass so a GT200 or AD200B, with one as a slave unit -pure volume- and a master head for the controls. The less controls the better, I want pure and sweet tone so master, volume, treble, bass & mids. Everything else I don't need. It has also has to take pedals like a motherfucker. The lower the price the better. Coupled with a couple of 2*15 and a couple of 4*12 to get the maximum out of the rig.
Quote from: dunwichamps on February 13, 2012, 09:33:45 PM
2204 is a nice circuit, I dont know the exact power unit schematic but I do know the MV-120 schematic
I already own the amp I always wanted. JCM 800 2204. 50w, 1 channel - thus almost retard friendly ;D
I sent it to these guys last year for an overhaul:
http://www.flynnamps.co.uk/ (http://www.flynnamps.co.uk/)
It came back sounding like very loud angry sex.
Asked them to brighten it up a bit, it had Svetlana tubes (I think) when I got it and was pretty muddy. Probably old tubes, but the difference before and after is like night and day! Mesa tubes in it now.
Quote from: clockwork green on February 15, 2012, 12:45:32 PM
I'd also love to see something with the lowend of a Matamp with the mid's and dynamics of a Trainwreck.
yeah a "matwreck" would be pretty much perfect!
Mine is probably a matamp gt1 50w.
Quote from: tossom on February 18, 2012, 08:51:21 PM
Quote from: dunwichamps on February 13, 2012, 09:33:45 PM
2204 is a nice circuit, I dont know the exact power unit schematic but I do know the MV-120 schematic
I already own the amp I always wanted. JCM 800 2204. 50w, 1 channel - thus almost retard friendly ;D
I sent it to these guys last year for an overhaul:
http://www.flynnamps.co.uk/ (http://www.flynnamps.co.uk/)
I bought an amp that had been 'serviced' by them and came with a receipt from them, It was a horribly bodged mess, I got a pm on the forum where the deal went down warning me of the same. This solder splattered over components was a highlight:
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Incarante/Sound%20City%20guts/P1020379.jpg)
If
(http://www.regiscoyne.com/Bassman100/bassman%20100%20cropped.jpg)
and
(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqidleNdoL1qaqr3zo1_500.jpg)
fucked.
Quote from: Pundan on February 27, 2012, 10:11:26 AM
If
(http://www.regiscoyne.com/Bassman100/bassman%20100%20cropped.jpg)
and
(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqidleNdoL1qaqr3zo1_500.jpg)
fucked.
ahh cathodyne versus long tail pair. You could do a nice 50W x 2 amp with both amps being built into one head.
Quote from: dunwichamps on February 14, 2012, 04:31:40 PM
Quote from: Mr. Foxen on February 14, 2012, 04:22:50 PM
Can I rip that idea for the pre of this 2 KT88 thing I have to sort a pre for?
yea no problem if u need a detailed idea of it just email me
Would there be much point in having one before and one after a overdrive/distortion stage? My way of picturing a preamp works off time spend putting pedals into a clean amp, and eq before and after drive does pretty different stuff.
Before the clipping changes the way the clipping occurs while after simply accentuates the clipping parts.
If you just using it as a clean amp then it doesnt matter really, if you expect little to no amp distortion.
Have clean amps flying out my ass. Still exploring potentials with the weirdy ones I need to convert for bass. The character knob on the Sansamp pedals is a post gain eq, I guess it will be comparable to that, and is a great feature.
A Fender 5E3 Tweed Deluxe that allow you to switch between double the wattage and the original (15 watts). Also an extension out to connect to another cab, and possibly a switch that allows you to have a master volume in circuit and out of circuit.
Spoke to Matamp in the week about the possibility of them building an amp round some Partridge iron I have. That will hopefully do me forever.
Quote from: Mr. Foxen on March 24, 2012, 08:46:05 PM
Spoke to Matamp in the week about the possibility of them building an amp round some Partridge iron I have. That will hopefully do me forever.
custom? what are you going for?
Quote from: dunwichamps on March 24, 2012, 09:31:36 PM
Quote from: Mr. Foxen on March 24, 2012, 08:46:05 PM
Spoke to Matamp in the week about the possibility of them building an amp round some Partridge iron I have. That will hopefully do me forever.
custom? what are you going for?
Dunno yet, probably fairly straight up GT200 with Partridge iron, might have to think of something interesting though. Need to have a go with my mates GT200.
Quote from: Mr. Foxen on March 25, 2012, 08:39:13 AM
Quote from: dunwichamps on March 24, 2012, 09:31:36 PM
Quote from: Mr. Foxen on March 24, 2012, 08:46:05 PM
Spoke to Matamp in the week about the possibility of them building an amp round some Partridge iron I have. That will hopefully do me forever.
custom? what are you going for?
Dunno yet, probably fairly straight up GT200 with Partridge iron, might have to think of something interesting though. Need to have a go with my mates GT200.
that amp has a nice inverter setup which is similar to an SVT, They use a low gain cathodyne to split the signal then 12au7 drivers to add some gain but also improve output impedance to the load of the grid leaks which are small for 4 x KT88
My fantasies revolve around big bass speaker cabinets, and how I'd have roadies to carry them ;)
(http://www.vintageguitars.org.uk/graphics/fender400ps71.jpg)
(http://cdn1.gbase.com/usercontent/gear/2701421/p1_uj4kbcjtr_so.jpg)
a 112 that sounds like a 412
a tone that sustains like a fuzz but chugs like my thunderverb for palm mutes
all weighs less than 40 pounds so I can go to the gig with amp in one hand, guitar in the other. pedalboard that is intuitive and micro sized.
I had a dream about amps last night. I also had a dream with Dwight from the Office but he wasn't playing through this amp so I guess that doesn't matter. In my dream there was a 5E3 Tweed Deluxe inside a larger amp. Not just the preamp but the entire pre and power amp and transformers and instead of the power tubes feeding speakers it feed into a quad of KT88's so that I could crank the tweed and then turn the KT88 side to whatever I want and still get all of that sweet power tube distortion and rectifier sag. It's like an integral reamp. Is this at all possible?
Quote from: clockwork green on March 25, 2012, 05:34:29 PM
I had a dream about amps last night. I also had a dream with Dwight from the Office but he wasn't playing through this amp so I guess that doesn't matter. In my dream there was a 5E3 Tweed Deluxe inside a larger amp. Not just the preamp but the entire pre and power amp and transformers and instead of the power tubes feeding speakers it feed into a quad of KT88's so that I could crank the tweed and then turn the KT88 side to whatever I want and still get all of that sweet power tube distortion and rectifier sag. It's like an integral reamp. Is this at all possible?
you would need to dump the 5e3 power amp into a resistive dummy load, say a 50W 8 ohm resistor. Then you would take the output and bring it to a slave amp which has a quad of 88s and a phase inverter.
The simpler thing is just to build a 5e3, a dummy load wit line out and a Kt88 power amp
I was thinking that you could have setup where you could have multiple amps into this outside power amp so that you could have a tweed deluxe and a jmp coming out of the same speaker cabs at the same volume with their own unique voice.
Quote from: clockwork green on March 25, 2012, 08:45:59 PM
I was thinking that you could have setup where you could have multiple amps into this outside power amp so that you could have a tweed deluxe and a jmp coming out of the same speaker cabs at the same volume with their own unique voice.
you could do it, not cheap tho