http://www.theonion.com/articles/affluent-white-man-enjoys-causes-the-blues,1511/ (http://www.theonion.com/articles/affluent-white-man-enjoys-causes-the-blues,1511/)
Bonnie Raitt...
Thats funny shit.
Haha!
I was just talking the other day with someone about white blues players. But "blues rock" or blues influenced rock, white dudes can do pretty well at, especially when it's mixed with psychedelia and/or heavy fuzzy chords. BLUE FUCKING CHEER.
johnny winter and stevie ray were pretty good at it..
The notion that a style of music is exclusive to one race or another is preposterous. One of the great beauties of music is that it has the power to smash all racial, cultural and economic backgrounds.
The idea that the color of your skin has any bearing on the quality of your playing and the depth of your soul is just as racist as presuming that the color of ones skin dictates the content of ones character. It's 2011 folks!
There was a time when blues and jazz music frightened parents like rap music did when I was a kid. I figure most parents of young kids and teenagers are of the right age to be hip to rap nowadays so I don't know what scares them now.
Quote from: neighbor664 on July 19, 2011, 10:15:41 AM
The notion that a style of music is exclusive to one race or another is preposterous. One of the great beauties of music is that it has the power to smash all racial, cultural and economic backgrounds.
The idea that the color of your skin has any bearing on the quality of your playing and the depth of your soul is just as racist as presuming that the color of ones skin dictates the content of ones character. It's 2011 folks!
I agree for the most part but the idea of a white guy playing early style blues and calling himself a blues musician in that sense rubs me the wrong way. How many white guys do so? I'm not sure, very very few that I know of. Johnny Lang although a great guitar player kind of comes across to me like this in some ways and I can't get behind it. It's just too weird. If that makes me racially prejudice so be it.
I can't stand Stevie Ray Vaughan.
but to the original point - Even if we're not talking about race, a soft, affluent, disconnected upbringing leading to a soft, affluent, disconnected life is not ideal for understanding music written by poor people about suffering, largely at the hands of soft, affluent, disconnected people.
"I can't stand Stevie Ray Vaughan."
Did you ever get to see him play live?
Dude was fucking phenomenal.
Ever been to a blues or jazz club? Its like 20$ to get in, then a $10 drink minimum with $8 drinks.
The clientele are white and wealthy and the music is usuually incredible generic and watered down.
I cannot think of a single white blues musician i enjoy...not one. (okay Roy Buchanon maybe....)
im not a big jazz guy, but same with jazz...on their team starting pitcher John Coltrane! on our team..starting pitcher...Kenny G(who wil be replaced in the second inning with Doc Severenson).
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rtY-2ZOt8fM/S9hhhdxcBOI/AAAAAAAAMMA/dB6zftWDXic/s1600/,0000,.jpg)
Yeah, white dudes trying to play the blues are as pathetic as...
...Black dudes trying to rock...
(http://www.classic-rock-legends-start-here.com/images/hendrix041407.jpg)
...or Mexicans playing anything but Mariachi.
(http://rockwritelisten.wikispaces.com/file/view/santana-woodstock.jpg/176545705/santana-woodstock.jpg)
...and don't even get me started on non-fat, non-bearded, skinny, non-opiate-addicted Yankees who try to play Sludge.
**Oh, yeah. Edited for the fucking Jews:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Pg26vdohSdc/TZDlwTJ2CgI/AAAAAAAAAso/SGbJfmifDvc/s1600/leslie+west+1.jpg)
When I play the blues it's called FUCKING PUNK ROCK! It is my authentic pain music.
And, since nobody has mentioned this term I'll throw it out there "blues laywer". As in "How much do you think that Gibson Custom Eric Clapton 1960 Les Paul Antiquity Burst-Aged and Signed set that blues lawyer back?"
Quote from: RacerX on July 19, 2011, 06:49:58 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rtY-2ZOt8fM/S9hhhdxcBOI/AAAAAAAAMMA/dB6zftWDXic/s1600/,0000,.jpg)
Yeah, white dudes trying to play the blues are as pathetic as...
...Black dudes trying to rock...
(http://www.classic-rock-legends-start-here.com/images/hendrix041407.jpg)
...or Mexicans playing anything but Mariachi.
(http://rockwritelisten.wikispaces.com/file/view/santana-woodstock.jpg/176545705/santana-woodstock.jpg)
...and don't even get me started on non-fat, non-bearded, skinny, non-opiate-addicted Yankees who try to play Sludge.
**Oh, yeah. Edited for the fucking Jews:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Pg26vdohSdc/TZDlwTJ2CgI/AAAAAAAAAso/SGbJfmifDvc/s1600/leslie+west+1.jpg)
APPLAUDED!!!
But didn't you know all white people come from good homes, don't know pain and suffering. They posses no empathy. Have never had anyone close to them die or a lover cheat on them. They know nothing of the world around them and all the terrible things that people do to one another.
How many African Americans do you know or know of that even like or give a shit about blues music? Let alone aspire to play it proficiently? Seems to me that blacks have by and large abandoned the blues.
Only genuine serial killers and real nazi death camp personnel can make authentic thrash metal? Or is it that only long haired, white, males from the SF suburbs can play it convincingly? I'm confused.
where's the smiley that's kicked back eating popcorn?
Quote from: Worthless Willie on July 19, 2011, 03:30:26 PM
"I can't stand Stevie Ray Vaughan."
Did you ever get to see him play live?
Dude was fucking phenomenal.
Never saw him in person, no. If anything I've heard way too much of him. His voice is terrible. I don't like his tone or the songs he wrote. I guess if I was at a company barbecue or something, his music would be appropriate for the surroundings, but I'd probably leave early.
He sings like Huey Lewis. He can wail on guitar but he never did anything that made me give a fuck. Plus he's got small teeth and big gums. Three strikes!
Quote from: Chovie D on July 19, 2011, 04:28:16 PM
Ever been to a blues or jazz club? Its like 20$ to get in, then a $10 drink minimum with $8 drinks.
The clientele are white and wealthy and the music is usuually incredible generic and watered down.
I cannot think of a single white blues musician i enjoy...not one. (okay Roy Buchanon maybe....)
im not a big jazz guy, but same with jazz...on their team starting pitcher John Coltrane! on our team..starting pitcher...Kenny G(who wil be replaced in the second inning with Doc Severenson).
Gonna have to go ahead and respectfully disagree with you on the white jazz musician front. on whitey's team, starting pitcher... Buddy Motherfucking Rich.
This is Buddy in a famous drum battle with another badass white jazz drummer (who I actually enjoy listening to more), Ed Shaughnessy.
And here's one between Rich and Krupa
It should also be noted that what Kenny G plays is not jazz.
Buddy Rich vs Animal was a better battle.
Quote from: clockwork green on July 21, 2011, 02:00:11 PM
Buddy Rich vs Animal was a better battle.
I can't dispute that :)
I will however add almost the entire NBC Orchesta to the list of white jazz musicians who KILL IT.
Behold
Cute song -- "Every Other Day I've Got the Blues"
i can't believe I'm contributing to this thread. but anybody on here that doesn't recognize the fact that SRV had "it" doesn't know what "it" is. He had "it" like like Hendrix had "it" and Eddie had "it". You've been too influenced by "blues Lawyer" hate.
Now go listen to your Kyuss records. Fucking puke
Music transcends race, creed, economics, etc, duh.
SRV's tone horrible?
i've now heard everything.
You don't have to be a black man to play real blues, but you also don't need to be a white boy to play lame white boy blues. Kenny Wayne Shepherd is lame white boy blues, regardless of who plays it and what color they are. As Chovie D pointed out, the average trip to the blues bar will result in a great night of mediocrity. The blues is so simple that any chump (white or black) thinks he can insert a cool middle name like Joe "Guitar Man" Average and sell tickets. Unfortunately, they're right. There will always be a market for mediocrity, which is what the original link is poking fun at. However, some people know that you have to have a genuine talent and soul to play the blues well, and stand above the crowd. And the older the blues get, the fewer of those people there are, white or black or green or purple.
Ps, for the record... I DON'T got it. But I know it when I see it.
I didn't say SRV's tone was horrible, I said I don't like it. His voice was horrible. Definitely 100% Huey Lewis. Also, while I wouldn't dispute his virtuosity, I'm not moved by his music. As for not thinking him some sort of demi-god being a sign that I don't know what makes music good, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, especially considering it's popularity, but I'm not terribly worried about your silly ideas or how they'll affect public opinion.
Rory Gallagher, County Cork.
Interviewer: "What's it like being the best guitar player in the world?"
Jimi: "I don't know, go ask Rory Gallagher."
Quote from: Baltar on July 22, 2011, 08:09:44 AM
Rory Gallagher, County Cork.
Interviewer: "What's it like being the best guitar player in the world?"
Jimi: "I don't know, go ask Rory Gallagher."
ive always said jimi was over-rated..
Charlie Patton was only 1/4 black, 1/4 Cherokee and 1/2 white. Is he 3/4 not a "real" blues man?
His blues are to some degree the blueprint that much of American blues that came after him follows and he's mostly not black.
Don't care how 'good' he was - I found SRV to be incredibly boring.
Like, Fabulous Thunderbirds kind of boring.
MORE IMPORTANTLY,
There is no fucking way that Ralph Machio is better than Steve Vai.
Quote from: Jor el on July 23, 2011, 12:57:52 PM
MORE IMPORTANTLY,
There is no fucking way that Ralph Machio is better than Steve Vai.
Yeah but Ry Cooder
REALLY IS better than Steve Vai
Yeah, but Ry Cooder can't crane kick worth a damn.
larry coryell is the greatest guitar player ever..
^ No, but while we're talking about Larry Coryell* & Jimi Hendrix, Mortlock; you may recall an interview with Larry where he related a brief story about Jimi's RED HOUSE. He told about riding in a cab in NYC when Red House came on the radio. Larry said, "If I could play the Blues like that I could make a million dollars".
Joe Satriani and Steve Vai are good 'guitar teachers'.
* For the record, I respect and admire Mr. Coryell's playing, and don't think he's overrated (except perhaps by Mortlock).
Quote from: Baltar on July 22, 2011, 08:09:44 AM
Rory Gallagher, County Cork.
Interviewer: "What's it like being the best guitar player in the world?"
Jimi: "I don't know, go ask Rory Gallagher."
I've heard he said the exact same thing, but in reference to Phil Keaggy.
Whether he said one, or both, or neither, you have to understand that Jimi probably wasn't actually making a serious statement. He was replying to a question which made him a little uncomfortable, and attempting to deflect attention away from himself onto another player. He was very shy, and didn't handle direct compliments well. Introverts often have a hard time accepting compliments gracefully because they're not sure if they deserve them, or because they don't want to be (or be seen as) boastful or egotistical. They may have a genuine sense of modesty, or may not want to take credit away from other musicians.
"I feel guilty when people say I`m the greatest guitarist on the scene. If only people would take more of a true view and think in terms of feeling. Your name doesn`t mean a damn, it`s your talent and feeling that matters. You`ve got to know more than the technicalities of notes, you`ve got to know what goes between the notes" - Jimi Hendrix
MikeyT, thank you for mentioning Phil Keagy. Great guitar playing. I had no idea who he was and had to look it up. He's from Youngstown, LOL!
Of course he claims that Hendrix never could have said that.
Keaggy has long insisted that such stories are completely unfounded, noting that "it was impossible that Jimi Hendrix could ever have heard me...We...recorded our first album at Electric Lady Studios two weeks after his unfortunate death, so I just can't imagine how he could've heard me. I think it's just a rumor that someone's kept alive, and it must be titillating enough to keep an interest there...So I don't think it was said...and that's it for that!"
While we're (loosely) speaking of Jimi, in a John Burks interview (published in Guitarplayer magazine in 1975) Jimi was asked if there were any musicians he went out of his way to see.
Came the reply,
"Nina Simone and Mountain. I dig them.".
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rtY-2ZOt8fM/S9hhhdxcBOI/AAAAAAAAMMA/dB6zftWDXic/s1600/,0000,.jpg)
Very nice photo of Johnny.
its all fucking jungle music
I'm going to pull a Worthless Willie, and say, IF that is racism in any way, shape or form, you're a complete and total fucking moron.
It's racist against heavily wooded areas in humid tropical areas, that's for sure.
I got the blues
The middle aged white dude blues
Oh... I got the blues..
The I'm try to relive my youth blues
I drive up vintage prices
I over bid on e-bay
I'm the dude
that will suck your mojo away
I got the blues
the bored doctor/lawyer blues
Oh I got the blues
the creepy rich guy blues
I wear a hat
A bluesy hat
I type of fucker
that couldn't cut jazz cat
Oh I got the blues
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