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Title: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: VOLVO))) on May 13, 2011, 10:50:54 AM
(http://bhambassmasters.homestead.com/files/sponsorpics/bass-jumping2.jpg)


My bass rig:

Kramer Stagemaster Imperial, active (Emgs) (aluminum neck, Thanks, Rhett!)
Westone Thunder 1-A, brass nut, active

Marshall JCM800 2203
Sunn Beta Lead
Peavey 5150II (hehehehe)

Fender showman 2x15
Sunn 610
Sunn Beta 2x12

Boss Blues Driver modded to hell and back
Tone Wicker Muff
MXR Carbon Copy
EHX POG
Behringer BSY600 (so what?)
Boss RC-2


super middy, very gritty, heavy on the lows, light on the highs and loud as balls.

What about you kids? Why do you do it the way you do? Any pros/cons?


Amps that rule for bass, but not guitar? Vice versa? Both? Cmon!
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: Hemisaurus on May 13, 2011, 12:08:29 PM
Well it all depends on the day of the week, the average rainfall of the month, and if I find something new and exciting lying around.

Usually it involves, a bass, an amp, one or more speaker cabs. Sometimes a lot more than one ;D
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: VOLVO))) on May 13, 2011, 12:39:45 PM
Shut up.
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: Hemisaurus on May 13, 2011, 12:42:48 PM
What's it you say, pics or it didn't happen, so where's the pictures?

Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: VOLVO))) on May 13, 2011, 01:28:06 PM
I'll snap some. I'll even shoot a video if I get bored. hahaha.
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: Danny G on May 13, 2011, 01:29:55 PM
"Minnie Pearl" 2000 USA P-Bass, tobacco burst/black PG/SD Quarter Pounder/chrome pup & bridge covers.
"Cate Blanchett" 2002 USA P-Bass, faded seafoam green/tortie PG/SD Quarter Pounder/chrome covers

Mid-70's Ampeg SVT
Fender TB-600 hybrid rackmount
Line6 X2 wireless system
Furman power conditioner

Mergilli Innovations replica Dietz 2x15 w/EV-B's
Dietz 2x15 w/Emi Deltas

Boss TU-2 tuner
Fulltone Bass Drive
Phase 90
Snarling Dawgs Whine-0 Wah (works fine for bass, but would rather use a Crybaby)


It works.

Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: bass sic on May 13, 2011, 03:40:25 PM
My current rig consists of a 79 Pbass, HH Stingray, Ampeg 4pro and an Emperor 2x15 cab. Only pedal I use is an MXR M80. I also use a rack mounted aurel exiter. Pretty standard setup but it suits me and I'm all out of gear funds, so it will be a long while before this changes.
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: Worthless Willie on May 13, 2011, 05:15:04 PM
Squire Classic Vibe Jazz Bass.  Stock.

MarkBass Little Mark II - 500 watts

Ampeg 4x10 (looking to add 1x15)

Pitch Black tuner
Ibanez Tube King
Bass Big Muff
Homemade Tube Screamer
DD-6 delay
EHX Polyphase
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: eyeprod on May 13, 2011, 08:14:04 PM
epi thunderbird - late model, stock
amps: acoustic 140 and/or Ampeg v4
cabs: ampeg 8x10 or my splawn 4x12, and sometimes the ram 2x12
pedals: tu-2 > modded black russian big muff > modded crybaby > boss bf-3 flanger

my bass rig utilizes a lot of my guitar rig. I use it for recording, and sometimes I get to use it in a band setting
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: mortlock on May 13, 2011, 08:29:06 PM
fender jazz bass. heavily modded.
ampeg 4x10
peavey mark VI head
ampeg b-100r 1x15 combo.
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: Hemisaurus on May 13, 2011, 09:43:43 PM
Nobody using subs, that's kinda sad :'(

Yesterday, cause I was lazy and didn't take any cabs to practice.

1 WK-5 with custom electronics, Peavey T-Max, Peavey Tri-Flex sub, Fender Bassman 2x15 with I don't know what in 'it.
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: giantchris on May 14, 2011, 12:59:44 AM
I need to take some pictures eventually

Basses:
Zon Concorde
Cort Curbow 6
Hamer Slammer P bass knockoff with Curtis Novak pup

Amp:
Yorkville XS400H

Cabs:
Peavey 1516
Rare Acoustic Control 2x12

Effects:
Bass Big Muff, ZVex Fuzz Factory, Harden Engineering Screaming Skull, Boss DS-1, Boss ODB-3, Ibanez cheapass delay (TD-7?), Boss BF-3, Digitech Bass MultiChorus, Dunlop 105Q Bass Wah, Digitech Compressor (I usually just use the onboard on the Yorkville), Ernie Ball volume pedal, and a Boss TR-2 tremelo.

Live or with people I mostly just pick a Fuzz and use the ODB-3 with the BF-3 and occasionally the Bass Wah.  I find the Digitech chorus kinda blows.  I want an auto-swell (guyatone SV-2) and a tech-21 bass XXL probably.  I am also considering selling my Concorde bass but every time I am about to I play it.  The neck fits my hand perfectly but its hard to justify having it when I don't play out.
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: Hemisaurus on May 15, 2011, 12:46:18 AM
Today
(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/226762_1701771431017_1439903504_31354660_960593_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: hayseed on May 15, 2011, 09:17:06 PM
Not much but I use(currently):
1998 Fender MIM PBass-Midnite Wine
1981(?) Peavey T40 natural ash

Sunn Coliseum 300 head
Peavey 1510 T-fest Cabinet- 2x15 + 2x10

Ibanez TS10 Tubescreamer
EH Small Stone Nano
Behringer Chromatic Tuner(Boss Knock-off)
Dunlop Crybaby

And sometimes...
ProCo Rat2
EH Bass Big Muff
Digitech Bass Squeeze Compressor

I am contemplating parting with the Peavey cab and picking up 2 Ampeg 4x10's or a Peavey 1516 for easier hauling. Also I may invest in the Bass Tubescreamer(Ibanez). I am selling/trading the Bass Big Muff and BAss Squeeze if anyone is interested.

I had an all Sunn rig for a while but the 2x15 cab i had kinda wore on me. I love 15's but i gotta have some pop to it as well which is why i like the 10's.

Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: Burdt on May 16, 2011, 01:29:23 AM
So just to put this out there, for this style of music, is there any sort of trend towards 1x15 or 4x10? I can imagine it being 50/50 in most genres, but where low end is key, would the 15" handle the lower tunings better?
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: VOLVO))) on May 16, 2011, 01:39:00 AM
Depends on what you want your tone to sound like. Hayseed mentioned he liked 10's for the pop, but I like a more rounded bass tone, so I run a 2x15 as a main bass cab. It's middy and growly, the 10's bump more than growl, and the 12's are a good in-between. They're middy and growly, but hold their own against the 10s.

The theme for this style of music is excessivity. A 1x15 don't cut it! hahaha.
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: Hemisaurus on May 16, 2011, 03:48:30 AM
I played 2 2x15"s with the last punk outfit, they liked loud, and played fast.

For other stuff I've been playing with a 2x15" as the top and an 18" as the bottom. I like a good bottom cab as a sustainer, you know, where you hit the string and let the sound coming out your amp keep the note ringing, long past when it would normally die away. I used to use a 4x10" on top, but I kind of started hating it a lot, just didn't do it for me like a 2x15"

(http://dub.greboguru.org/setup.jpg)
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: Hemisaurus on May 16, 2011, 03:54:32 AM
Quote from: SunnO))) on May 16, 2011, 01:39:00 AM
The theme for this style of music is excessivity. A 1x15 don't cut it! hahaha.
One of my 1x15"s would like a word with you :)

(http://dub.greboguru.org/practice1.jpg)
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: showdown on May 16, 2011, 07:28:37 AM
Basses:
P-bass made from parts, SD Quarterpunder, D-tuner
Fender Jazz, fretless, EMG pickups
Warmoth Thunderbird 8-string, GFS MM pickups
Warmoth/Chandler 8-string, EMG pickups

Amp:
Trace Elliot 4x10" combo
Trace Elliot 4x10" cab

Pedals:
Boss TU-2
EBS Multidrive
Boss SD-1 w/Keeley mods
Modded Crybaby
Danelectro Chicken Salad
MXR Phase 90
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: zachoff on May 16, 2011, 03:26:38 PM
G&L L2000 passive/series -> Korg Pitchblack -> Loopmaster ABY
A -> SVT -> 810
B -> Earth Superbass (disto channel) -> Emperor 215

Recorded different than this though.  Mixed direct signal though SansAmp BDDI w/ my Ampeg/810 rig instead of going the Earth route.
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: cusar5 on May 16, 2011, 05:46:15 PM
Heavily modded SX Jazz V (Hipshot tuners, Schaller bridge, Kent Armstrong humbucker)
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Sonic Research Turbo Tuner (I've tried just about every pedal tuner, and this one's easily the best)
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Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0 (900 watts, 4 pounds? yes please)
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A cab. I own an Avatar 2x12 that sounds nice, but I prefer to use 8x10s when I can. The Shuttle through a good fridge sounds amazing.
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: bloodofkings on May 17, 2011, 01:25:24 PM
76 Ampeg SVT, Ampeg SVT-810E, Ampeg BSE410. Depends on the size of the room as to what cab I bring.

2000 Fender P-Bass, Sunburst, Rosewood fretboard, Bad Ass III bridge, Dimarzio Model P pickups.

2001 Fender P-Bass, Black, Maple fretboard, same pickups and bridge as above.

Boss TU-2 Chromatic Tuner, Way Huge Green Rhino Mk. 2, Morley PBA-2 Bass Wah.
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: mortlock on May 18, 2011, 11:32:56 PM
cool bass pic..
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-8/1344411/2.jpg)
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: Worthless Willie on May 19, 2011, 12:42:53 AM
Question:

I run my amp with a 4ohm 4x10 cab, to get 500 watts out of it.  I want to add a 15 to my shit, but need to stay at 4ohm...what impedance should my 15 be?

Do I daisychain another 4ohm off of my existing cab?

Thanks.
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: VOLVO))) on May 19, 2011, 01:02:47 AM
A daisy chain will put it in series, thus making it 2 ohms. You need 2 8 ohm cabs for 4 ohms.
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: Worthless Willie on May 19, 2011, 01:07:46 AM
What if I run 2 4ohm cabs out of both speaker jacks?

I'm an impedance clod.
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: Lumpy on May 19, 2011, 02:02:42 AM
Quote
What if I run 2 4ohm cabs out of both speaker jacks?

Still 2 ohms, no good. You have a 4 ohm cab already, so you have no options.

Instead of the 15, what about getting a big cab (8x10) and then using one or the other, depending on size of the room?

Or parlay your stash (trade your current cab) for a couple of 8 ohm cabs, to get a total of 4 ohms.

Gotta to plan ahead when buying your rig, to avoid these kinds of issues. (Expandability)
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: Worthless Willie on May 19, 2011, 02:07:27 AM
Cool.  Thanks for the tips, y'all.
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: Hemisaurus on May 19, 2011, 07:58:30 AM
Two or three cheap and nasty ways to do it, but they require soldering.

1) for a 4 ohm 15" cab, wire the passthru connector on the 4x10 so that if a jack is inserted it bypasses one single driver, you now have a 3x10 with the fourth 10" being replaced by the 15"

2) for a 8 ohm cab 15" cab, wire a switch (or the passthru jack again) on the 4x10 so the jack turns off one of the parallel loops of 10"s you now have a 2x10 and a 15"

3) for an 8 ohm cab, you can just rewire the 4x10 for 16 ohms, or fit a switch to make it 16/4 switchable, you can now run the 4x10 @ 16 ohm and the 15" @ 8 ohm for a 5 1/3 ohms, you could add in a third cab at 16 ohms to make a perfect 4 ohms. NB in this scenario twice as much power is sent to the 15 as the 4x10
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: Hemisaurus on May 19, 2011, 08:19:48 AM
Quote from: mortlock on May 18, 2011, 11:32:56 PM
cool bass pic..
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-8/1344411/2.jpg)
Is it yours? I've always been interested in how those Alumintone pickups sound?
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: mortlock on May 19, 2011, 08:32:48 AM
no, not mine..i wish it was. i just like the pic..
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: bass sic on May 19, 2011, 09:15:21 AM
Only thing I don't like about the pic is all the parts are new and clean, cept the body.
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: VOLVO))) on May 19, 2011, 12:11:15 PM
5.5-6 ohms isn't a bad deal. You won't lose much power, if the 15 if efficient.


All 6xanything cabs have fucked impedance.  8 x 8 = 16, 8 x 8 = 16, 8 x 8 = 16, 16 x 16 = 8, 8 x 16 = 5.3-6 ohms.
                                                              Parallel       Parallel      Parallel       Series        Series     Total ohms


What bass amp is it, Willis? You sure it won't float two ohms?
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: VOLVO))) on May 19, 2011, 12:14:58 PM
one of you nerds explain to my why the finger grab thingy is useful in that position?
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: zachoff on May 19, 2011, 12:38:57 PM
Quote from: SunnO))) on May 19, 2011, 12:14:58 PM
one of you nerds explain to my why the finger grab thingy is useful in that position?

Folks used to rest their fingers on it & play with their thumbs.
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: VOLVO))) on May 19, 2011, 12:41:13 PM
Quote from: zachoff on May 19, 2011, 12:38:57 PM
Quote from: SunnO))) on May 19, 2011, 12:14:58 PM
one of you nerds explain to my why the finger grab thingy is useful in that position?

Folks used to rest their fingers on it & play with their thumbs.

Dead technology? Holy shit, I'm putting an 8-track player on my bass.
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: Hemisaurus on May 19, 2011, 03:21:47 PM
Quote from: SunnO))) on May 19, 2011, 12:11:15 PM
5.5-6 ohms isn't a bad deal. You won't lose much power, if the 15 if efficient.

What bass amp is it, Willis? You sure it won't float two ohms?
I'm assuming it's his Little Mark II, they're not 2 ohm capable AFAIK, and I don't know how forgiving they would be if you went below minimum impedance.

One thing for sure, I'm not bloody fixing it ;)
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: VOLVO))) on May 19, 2011, 10:44:09 PM
Hmmm... Upgrade to two 8 ohm cabs... Or reload the 4x10. Avatar has a SICK deal on some celestion bass drivers...
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: Hemisaurus on May 19, 2011, 10:47:28 PM
Quote from: SunnO))) on May 19, 2011, 10:44:09 PM
Hmmm... Upgrade to two 8 ohm cabs... Or reload the 4x10. Avatar has a SICK deal on some celestion bass drivers...
Surely that's too tame? he should by another 4 ohm 4x10, rewire it for 16 ohms as well, add the 8 ohm bass cab, and play through all of them. :)
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: grimniggzy on May 20, 2011, 12:56:55 PM
If you want to run 2 (4 ohm) cabs but don't have a head that goes down to 2 ohms, just use another head and slave it from the first one.
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: mortlock on May 23, 2011, 09:19:00 PM
another cool bass pic..
(http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq15/Mr_Slippyfist_/Bass_2.jpg)
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: Pissy on May 24, 2011, 11:41:25 AM
You could make a series speaker cable to get up to 8 ohms. Pretty simple, but if you forget the to bring the cable to the gig, you're kinda screwed.
Title: Re: The all encompassing bass thread
Post by: Hemisaurus on May 24, 2011, 12:03:05 PM
Quote from: grimniggzy on May 20, 2011, 12:56:55 PM
If you want to run 2 (4 ohm) cabs but don't have a head that goes down to 2 ohms, just use another head and slave it from the first one.
I'd say this is probably the easiest way, if you don't have another head grab a power amp from somewhere, or buy one, dollar to watts nowadays is a pretty good ratio with power amps :)