you know how people act when teaching, playing live, showing "your goods" to other players
first you have the "this is so fucking boring, i cannot believe i took the time to record this" person
then you have the person that obviously bleeds the shit, lives for it, its a like a cult:)
i guess i'm more into vibes and feel than technical ability
point of this thread? just random thoughts
cheers
Reminds me quite a bit of this Devin Townsend video:
Wait until about 3:20 and he goes off. In any case, I like the Devin video because he goes off on the stuff while actually playing it. Too often when people criticize shredders and what not it just translates to "I can't play that fast and I'm jealous."
In any case, I don't play too fast. Wish I could. Know a bit of music theory. Wish I knew more. I dunno if my approach is cult like or anything like that but whatever. When I pick up my guitar, I can always do what I set out to do.
It's all about the riff...'cause that's what I'm good at, haha.
Holy shit Devin Townsend is AWESOME. "This is shit I learned when I was a fucking dungeon master blah blah" hahaha. Totally rad.
Quote from: SunnO))) on March 23, 2011, 05:36:20 PM
Holy shit Devin Townsend is AWESOME. "This is shit I learned when I was a fucking dungeon master blah blah" hahaha. Totally rad.
Ditto!
Quote from: peyotepeddler on March 23, 2011, 03:48:20 PM
i guess i'm more into vibes and feel than technical ability
I'll 2nd that. The whole "shredding" thing is cool, but it gets (imo) boring real quick. I'm more of a rhythmic guy, I hate playing leads, I suck at playing leads, etc. I like a good vibe, structure and atmosphere to a song.
As far as being a slave to the riff... I am. I'm usually in one-guitar bands, so I find places to do leads and whatnot, but it's just your usual pentatonic-possibly the same solo in every song type thing. Nothing over technical. Riffffffffffbzzzzzzzzumpppphhhhhhhhh
Wow, that video was great! At first I could barely watch, then when he started talking I couldn't stop. I'm gonna watch some more of that guy, just to crack up.
As for teachers... it can be hard to find a good one. Probably because it's not easy to do. When it comes to teaching music I'm more the type that can do it, better than I can teach it... I made some half assed attempts at instructional videos for slide guitar. All I could do was start the camera and play.
Another slave to the riff here. Even more so to riff changes. I for one cannot appreciate a good strumming pattern.
Hevy Devy...I've seen that man run around a tour bus on mushrooms. A fantastic sight to behold really...
Quote from: TheWolfIsLoose on March 23, 2011, 10:47:41 PM
Heavy Devy...I've seen that man run around a tour bus on mushrooms. A fantastic sight to behold really...
i might even pay to see that..
logical, that was fucking rad man, i was sipping a beer, kicked back in my rockin' chair, then, bam, he just went off ha ha
i'm guilty, no doubt, "the power of the riff compels me!"
i don't think its technical ability that turns me off, its the lack of emotion and feel, like i posted before, those "electric period" miles davis videos are full of ability, but the soul and vibes are there
It's all subjective. OM bores the shit out of me. Eric Johnson does too, but at least there is a discernible and memorable melody to that song. So much so that some kid 20+ years later is covering it on youtube.
I just don't see that happening with OM.
Why did you post this is in the jam room and not GS?
Quote from: neighbor664 on March 24, 2011, 08:26:16 PM
Why did you post this is in the jam room and not GS?
My guess is that it's because he's talking about one's overall playing style, technique, and songwriting. All very appropriate for the Casa de lo Jam Room, no?
Delivery > Ability
My approach, by way of default, was to acheive a level of proficiency i was comfortable with, then not think about my technical abilities veyr much and just use what i had which was more than enough to do whatever i wanted at least in a rock context. I consider myself a blazing lead player, but I knew I was never going to sit for hours working on sweeps and arps and tapping to the extent the Vais and Malmsteems and so forth were doing. I encorporated some elements from noise rock, jazz and punk into my lead playing and considered this my 'style'.
I guess what Im sayng is you dont need to be overly technically proficient to be a great lead player (not that I'm great).
You need some chops yes, but you dont need the "dungeon master" stuff, nor is it particular appealing to me musically.
These days the moments when I wince and dont lke wheat i just played in a solo, its most often an old 80's Van Halen lick that just crept in there from way back in the depths of my dorito eating, D&D playing 1984, jams shorts wearing, soul of yesteryear. like a phreudian slip they creep in and embarass me sometimes. I find the ments I fell best about are the complete surprises..where I am completely winging it and free from any considerations of technical ability, scales, modes, ..im in the moment so to speak.
riffs i think of more as song writing. righting a good riff =writing a good song (sort of) and its differnt to me than lead playing which is more juts icing the cake than the cake itself. dig?
I think you need both to be a great guitar player. Youd ont need to be techincally amazing but you do need ot be able to put forth some leads now again, even if its just skronking feedback bvlasts or simple one liners or black flag style spazz outs. The riff needs leads, the leads cant exist without the riffs.
botom line:rock out, dont overthink it
and nevr spellcheck or edit
BRING ON THE MISSPELLING
Quote from: Jake on March 25, 2011, 10:55:22 AM
Quote from: neighbor664 on March 24, 2011, 08:26:16 PM
Why did you post this is in the jam room and not GS?
My guess is that it's because he's talking about one's overall playing style, technique, and songwriting. All very appropriate for the Casa de lo Jam Room, no?
this, and i think more people that read and post here have a greater foundation and understanding
cheers
so i was checking the tube for 2011 om videos, and lo and behold, a devin live show popped up, i'm on the laptop right now, and the speakers suck, but man the guy is putting on a good show, i would check him out if he came to town, fucking animal ha ha
Devin wasn't so anti-shred when he was playing/singing with Steve Vai in the early 90's.
I don't think he's anti-shred. He's anti-bullshit-shredding, which is different.
I think the shredding in "Bewitched" Is just perfect for the song. And the singing is just epic. Also "Well of souls" is a good one on that album.
As far as my personal goals as a guitar player? Play as close to as good as Joe Walsh as I can.
Quote from: SpaceTrucker on April 11, 2011, 03:52:55 PM
I think the shredding in "Bewitched" Is just perfect for the song. And the singing is just epic. Also "Well of souls" is a good one on that album.
As far as my personal goals as a guitar player? Play as close to as good as Joe Walsh as I can.
Heard Joe Walsh on the radio here in Chicago years and years ago telling a story, he obviuosly stayed up all night drinking and went to the radio station in the morning. Joe met Paul McCartney and told him it took him six weeks to learn a guitar solo on one of the Beatles records that I can't remember, Paul told him it was John AND George.
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I've never been into shredding. It has never been a goal of mine that I gotta learn to shred, I don't know why. People who I know are really good at it - and in the eyes of someone that can't play guitar I'm sure it looks and sounds like someone who can shred is really talented just because of that. My whole "theory" behind my music is that since we're a powertrio my focus is more on the riffing rather than jerking my guitar. The only thing you might want to call Lead is when I try to do more melodic things or fool around with lots of delay.